Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Permanent autonomous zone

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone. Bots will correct any duplicate redirects that exist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The page was an article that lack source, describing autonomous regions. Someone in the talk page mentioned there are lack of source to prove the classification of "permanent" autonomous zone actually existing, and then an editor decided it should be redirected to "Temporary Autonomus Zone" instead. which is an article about a book which theme is anarchism. I was taken by surprise that I got lead to that redirect target when I click into this from the article/list of autonomus region in Myanmar, however the editor insist it must be turned into a redirect instead. Hence I want to have a discussion of what to do with both the original article and the updated redirect. C933103 (talk) 09:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. C933103 (talk) 09:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Politics. Shellwood (talk) 09:48, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• comment To discuss this as an article for deletion it would make sense to revert to the last version which was an article, so we can see what we're talking about. I have to say that the current redirect doesn't make sense. Mangoe (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  response I've added a link near the top to the last "article" version. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Move, to Autonomous zone. Per the talk page none of the sources in the previous article define autonomous zones as temporary or permenant. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 21:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think such move would make sense. C933103 (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I disagree. We have no content that would go there that wouldn't fit into the existing article on autonomous zones (the current target of this redirect). czar 16:48, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  How do you fit Kowloon Walled City into the target? C933103 (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone. It's unclear exactly what you're looking to get from this discussion, but while we're here, might as well take the best course of action. What is this Myanmar link you speak of? Because "autonomous area" and "autonomous zone" typically mean different things—the former is an administrative division (such as Autonomous regions of China) while the latter is a reference to the concept developed in the book Temporary Autonomous Zone. It's possible that some page has confused the two, but we can't address it unless you link it. This is why it's generally better to discuss on the talk page before going to AfD.

In this case, this Permanent autonomous zone was some kind of original research version of or play on temporary autonomous zone. Checking the sources, none use the phrase "permanent autonomous zone". For the autonomous zone concept, Temporary Autonomous Zone already exists. For the list items, most if not all are covered within the existing List of anarchist communities. I'd be open to deletion since "permanent autonomous zone" is an unsourced neologism, but redirects are cheap and if even one person is looking for background on autonomous zones, this redirect is fine. czar 11:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am talking about link from Self-administered_zone C933103 (talk) 14:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying C933103; now fixed. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as original research. The author has inferred a definition and found examples of autonomous zones that fall under that definition. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone. The phrase is used in the book: the preface to the second edition (p. xii) asks "if we're dreaming, why not dream big? A whole country or bioregion transformed into a Permanent Autonomous Zone?" It's also used elsewhere in Wilson's work, for example Spiritual Journeys of an Anarchist p. 124, 131 and 144; and occasionally in scholarly work on anarchism (e.g. Sandra Jeppesen in Anarchism: A Conceptual Approach p. 216 and Jeff Shantz in Anarchist Pedagogies p. 125). This is certainly sufficient to substantiate the brief mention currently in that article and to make a redirect worthwhile. I can't find any Myanmar-related articles that link to this page, but if the nominator arrived at this page from a confusing link, that can presumably be easily resolved by fixing the link in question. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Permanent Autonomous Zone, Permanent Autonomous Zones and Permanent autonomous zones also exist as redirects to the same target. If this page is deleted they should be too, if this page is restored to an article then they should be retargetted to point to it, if it is redirected elsewhere they should be changed to point to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone, per Arms & Hearts. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone; my first reaction was delete entirely, but given that Arms & Hearts shows that some sources do use the term, I think redirect is the most appropriate. IohannesChicaginiensis (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Temporary Autonomous Zone, per Arms & Hearts. Enough reliable sourcing to warrant a redirect, not enough to establish notability. Sal2100 (talk) 19:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.