Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Positive environmentalism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus to Delete and a lean to Keep from the RS quoted; however, engagement stopped post the second re-list (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Seemingly a neologism invented in 2006 (from the citation in the article) which has not caught on. A WP:BEFORE search turned up this 2014 article by George Monbiot whose title includes the expression, two other 2014 publications (1, 2) by Monbiot which mention the expression in passing, and this link on ELDIS about it. ELDIS seems to be WP:SELFPUB and therefore not WP:RS. The ELDIS link is of 2007 by one T. Clougherty, who (like the Alex Singleton relied on in the article) was associated with The Globalisation Institute. The fact that the headings on The Globalisation Institute's official website (you may not want to click on that link) are now "Penis Enlargement · Sperm Volume · Male Enhancement · Premature Ejaculation" suggests that their ambitions may have changed or have been changed for them. Fails WP:GNG, delete. Narky Blert (talk) 03:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Possibly keep. The concept is older than 2006. My university library search came up with 76 article hits, including 27 peer reviewed journal articles spanning back to 1994 and going up to 2018. Did you search Proquest or another academic search engine before making this nomination?4meter4 (talk) 18:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: Have you added any of those 76 sources to the article? Its edit history says not. Narky Blert (talk) 01:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my area of interest. I am just asking if you followed WP:BEFORE. That's a valid question since you chose to nominate the article.4meter4 (talk) 01:12, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the purpose of the question "Have you added any of those 76 sources to the article?" was. If the sources exist to pass GNG there is no requirement to add them to the article before keeping. If the questioner feels they need to be added, that falls under WP:SOFIXIT but is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. Rlendog (talk) 14:52, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This is not my area of interest and I am not interested in editing this article, but here are some peer reviewed journal sources and academic symposium records that discuss positive environmentalism (in multiple disciplines, including philosophy, theology, history, and science) from my university library. It is an internal database so I can not provide urls, but I am sure other academic search engines online have the same articles:

1. "A rewilding agenda for Europe: creating a network of experimental reserves"; Jepson, Paul; Ecography, February 2016, Vol.39(2), pp.n/a-n/a
2. "Conservative Social Christianity, the Law, and Personal Morality: Wilbur F. Crafts in Washington"; Foster, Gaines M; Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture, 2002, Vol.71(4), pp.799-819
3. "SYMPOSIUM ON THE SEVENTY-FIFTH ANNIVERSARY OF VILLAGE OF EUCLID v. AMBLER REALTY CO.: Euclid's Historical Imagery"; Richard H. Chused; Case W. Res., Vol.51 pp.597-749, 2001
4. '"Unnatural unions": picturesque travel, sexual politics, and working-class representation in "A Night Under Ground" and "Life in the Iron-Mills"'; Silver, Andrew; Legacy: A Journal of American Women Writers, 2003, Vol.20(1-2), p.94(24)
5. "Beyond Hull House: New Interpretations of the Settlement Movement in America"; Spratt, Margaret; Journal of Urban History, September 1997, Vol.23(6), pp.770-776
6. "Exploring conservation discourses in the Galapagos Islands: A case study of the Galapagos giant tortoises"; Benitez-Capistros, Francisco ; Hugé, Jean ; Dahdouh-Guebas, Farid ; Koedam, Nico, Ambio, Oct 2016, Vol.45(6), pp.706-724
7. "From Hygeia To the Garden City: Bodies, Houses, and the Rediscovery of the Slum in Manchester, 1875—1910"; Platt, Harold L; Journal of Urban History, July 2007, Vol.33(5), pp.756-772
8. "WIRELESS LOCALISM: BEYOND THE SHROUD OF OBJECTIVITY IN FEDERAL SPECTRUM ADMINISTRATION"; Olivier Sylvain; Mich. Telecomm. Tech. L. Rev., Vol.20 pp.121-523, 2013

Hope this will help move this discussion forward.4meter4 (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. I also found this: Book review: The Politics of Crowd: An Alternative History of Sociology; Bertilsson, Margareta; Journal of Classical Sociology, November 2015, Vol.15(4), pp.450-456 which reviews a book which covers positive environmentalism in an in-depth way according to the review. There appears to be plenty of sources to make a good article.4meter4 (talk) 01:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - is there another name for this movement? This has the whiff of an "anti-life"/"anti-choice" kind of moniker. Also, I'm not acquainted with this topic, but bright green environmentalism sounds pretty similar to this topic. Daß Wölf 20:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep albeit, the article in present form completely misrepresents the term. Texts from the late 1970s onwards use "positive environmentalism" to describe movements that sought to mitigate the effects of industrialisation in the 19th Century in urban environments and promote socially positive behaviour (eg building of parks as a means to discourage anti-vice activities). A Google NGRAM search provides multiple instances over the last 40 off years of usage of the term. Also note there is a specific entry for the topic in the WP:TERTIARY source Urban Geography: A Critical Introduction pp.214-216.--Goldsztajn (talk) 15:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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