Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prakash Khandge

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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 04:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prakash Khandge

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Although focusing in his research on a fairly narrow academic area, and therefore sometimes quoted as an expert in his field, the subject does not seem to cross the threshold of WP:NACADEMIC for an encylopaedia. The listed publications only assert that he exists and that he specialises in Indian folk dance but I have not been able to find much in terms of his academic achievements or him becoming the subject of a notable publication. I'm proposing to delete or draftity the article. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Dance-related deletion discussions. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep assuming good faith with respect to the references, he's a leader in his field. It's not clear whether or not he would also meet our standards as a dancer. DGG ( talk ) 20:37, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌀Locomotive207-talk🌀 02:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

keep winner of a 2017 Sangeet Natak Akademi award [1], meets WP:NPROF c#2. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The award is for artists, not for academics. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What policy indicates the two are mutually exclusive? Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 20:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you say that he meets NPROF? FYI, NPROF is not dependent on awards. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROF#C2 can be passed by winning a major nation-level or international-level award for scholarly achievement. The Sangeet Natak Akademi Awards might plausibly be considered major and nation-level, but they are obviously not a scholarly award, so they do not meet that criterion. If winning that award is to be considered notable, it would need to be through WP:NARTIST, not PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So we'd exclude an academic who teaches script writing in a film studies department of a university who wins an Oscar for scripting ... because an Oscar is not an academic award? Commonsense, please. We are talking about an academic who specialises in folk arts performance who has received a major national award for folk arts performance; this is far more notable than an award from the respective academic society which would apply. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you source your statement that Khandgehas received a major national award for folk arts performance? The listed article says nothing about it while we need to base our decisions on solid sources. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's sourced above and in the article. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Nowhere it says that Khandge received the award for any sort of artistic performance as you claim. In fact, no source lists him as an artist – they all consistently call him a researcher and academic. Arguing for WP:NARTIST here would be completely baseless. — kashmīrī ^TALK 08:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm genuinely trying to understand the distinction being made here. I've never raised ARTIST. AFAICS Khande is a academic who specialises in follk arts performance, he's received a notable award for which the sources indicate is in contribution to folk arts. Not a single point raised in contradiction to those points is backed by sources. What sources indicate that the award is not notable (as against all the press reporting of the awards and their presentation by the President of India or the official status of the Sangeet Natak Akademi)? What sources indicate that the award in Khandge's case is not towards contributions towards folk arts (whether for performance, the study of performance)? The distinctions trying to be drawn here are without difference. It's broad community consensus that notable awards are indications of notable contributions; apply WP:COMMONSENSE here, not WP:BURO. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 20:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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