Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramadan in Turkey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This is one of a series of articles by the same editor; I'd bundle them if I knew how. All the articles are like this, they are not about Ramadan customs peculiar to one country but are merely descriptions of common customs. The long list of foods (I've edited out the more preposterous bits) are likewise merely lists of commonn foods of the country, such as (in this case) kebaps. TheLongTone (talk) 14:09, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Islam, and Turkey. Shellwood (talk) 14:59, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Prob delete - seems to me that the topic likely is notable in the sense that there probably are distinctive Turkish cultural practices during this religious time. But I'm also not convinced that the page, as it is currently framed, addresses that. Maybe someone else could try again later and make a better stab. JMWt (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and do the same with all the other articles (or at least draftify). Agree with nom and JMWt that, from what I know about Ramadan and Turkish culture and from looking at the sources, much of the content is pretty generic and not necessarily specific to Turkey. The sources are not the highest quality don't really specify what makes Turkish observances unique among countries. Obviously social visits and common dinners are not any different from elsewhere. The author just translated this from Arabic wiki, but it's pretty poor writing to say lentil soup or lahmacun are Ramadan food when Turks eat these every day (if I'm wrong, the article should be clearer). Ramadan#Cultural practices is quite short and should be expanded to cover the instances where there are significant practices that may not be universal, perhaps expanded to a Ramadan by country page or similar that puts differences in context, but not standalone articles. I mean, Ramadan in the United States does have a couple US-specific facts, but then generic crap that there are Tarawih prayers just like everywhere else! Reywas92^Talk 17:25, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment: This article have been created as part of the Wiki Loves Ramadan Editathon. The articles hav been created in various languages in addition to English. Tuhin (talk) 17:50, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The topic is covered in many English-language books, not all of which are accessible through Google Books, but here are a few: How to Be Amazing at Speaking Turkish: Mastering the Heart of Türkiye [1], beginning of Chapter 7; Intellectuals in the Modern Islamic World: Transmission, Transformation, Communication [2] (the index shows that Ramadan in Turkey is covered on page 298, which is not part of the preview); World and Its Peoples Volume 1 [3] (again, the index lists Ramadan in Turkey on page 835, which is not shown in the preview). This book Introduction to Ramadan [4] may not be reliable (it looks self-published) but has info about Ramadan in Turkey which could be used to search for other sources (eg lighting traditional Ottoman lanterns apparently called fenerbahcesi). There are also several articles and chapters - "Celebratıon of Ramadan: The Case of Turkey" [5], "Does Ramadan Affect Happiness? Evidence from Turkey" [6]; "Aspects of Underlying Ramadan Consumption Patterns in Turkey" [7]; "Evaluation of the impact of the month of Ramadan on traffic accidents" [8]; "Can Religiosity be Sensed with Satellite Data? An Assessment of Luminosity during Ramadan in Turkey" [9]; etc. The topic is clearly notable - I don't think the fact that this article could be improved and expanded is a reason to delete it. I note that this article has been translated from the corresponding article in Arabic. Turkish Wikipedia seems not to have a specific article about Ramazan in Türkiye, but the article on Ramazan has some info specific to Turkey. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:36, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep; Ramadan holds significant cultural and religious importance in Turkey, with unique traditions like Mahya, special communal prayers, and festive street celebrations. The article provides valuable insights into the social, cultural, and religious aspects of Ramadan, reflecting the impact on daily life and tourism in Turkey. Deleting this article would remove important information about a key cultural practice in Turkey, and it should be preserved and expanded. Also supported with Reliable Sources and passing WP:GNG. 1947inYamama (talk) 10:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE ~SG5536B 00:34, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:SPINOFF. There is content of encyclopedic value about this topic (i.e. discussion of Ramadan in Turkey within reliable sources, thanks to RebeccaGreen for that research). I imagine the same is true of some other, but not all, countries. The question then becomes, "where do we put this information"? It's notable enough to pass WP:GNG, so it should go somewhere, but if we crammed it all in to the Ramadan article, that would create both WP:UNDUE and WP:SIZE concerns. As such, I think a keep as per WP:SPINOFF is in order. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I agree that this article would benefit from a good cleanup and expansion with reliable sources. There is obviously a plethora of sources on customs observed specifically in Turkey or parts of it during Ramadan. For example, while most dishes listed in this article are regularly consumed outside Ramadan as pointed out above, there are still many regional dishes that are specifically prepared in Ramadan, such as yuvarlama in Gaziantep [10]. Here is a journal article on dishes prepared for Ramadan in Karaman. There are plenty of sources on the local Ramadan customs. Hence, the real question here would be whether the state of the article reaches the level of WP:TNT. The sources are questionable, but I don't think it is that bad so that it requires a complete restart. Given WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, we would be better off keeping this article. Aintabli (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per RebeccaGreen. I also thank RebeccaGreen for taking the time to look at some sources about this. I think quick and hasty deletes are one of the reasons why English-language Wikipedia has a Euro-centric or Western-centric bias. Bogazicili (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.