Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rampran Gupta

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The result was delete. Tone 10:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO quite comprehensively.

Coming to the used references:-

• Ref 1:- The Early life section fails WP:INTEGRITY contrary to the appearance. The source may be accessed over here.

• 4 lines in total. One lists the magazines that published his work and another mentions the name of his works. Of the remaining two, one line mentions that he used to write essays in a local magazine from his school days and another line consists of two words:-renowned historian.

• That the level of coverage has been described, it is now prudential to mention that each volume contains 3500 snippet-biographies.

• Ref 2 :- A trivial name-drop among a list of authors who produced hagiographies.
• Ref 3 and Ref 4 :- Two Google Books links of book authored by Rampran.
• Ref 5:- Another more trivial mention which name-drops an award, named after Rampran.

Coming to potential English references:-

• I have searched all major scholarly databases (UniversityPressScholarship, JSTOR, Sage, Taylor&francis, Springer, DeGruyter, Bloomsbury et al); nil results.
• Across Gbooks, there's trivial namedrops, at most.
• Across GNews, nothing.
• Across Shodhganga, which is a huge repository of million-plus Indian PhD theses spanning across a century, there's not a single hit.

Coming to potential vernacular references:-

• No significant coverage for রামপ্রাণ গুপ্ত (Bengali term), either.

• I searched digitized collections of contemporary but now-defunct newspapers Jugantar and Amrita Bajar Patrika; nothing.
• Nothing over rare-books-and-periodical collection archives maintained by West Bengal govt., either.
• Some absolute nobody from Bongiyo Sahityo Parishad had written a mini-biography on Rampran; the work is precisely held at one public library in the state and that tells volumes.

• There's a mini-entry in a tertiary source but pursuant to previous INB consensus, it is not reliable courtesy numerous discrepancies that have been consistently observed in the project, coupled with a near-complete absence of referencing.

Summary:- We have precious nothing to write apart from a couple of mundane lines and a list of his works. Let us wait for decent secondary coverage of his activities and we can always turn a red link, blue. ∯WBG^converse 15:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Inclined to keep -- If true, the BIO is of a historian who produced 9 books and an unspecified number of articles in the late 19th/early 20th century, though I do not know if the works are substantial volumes or mere pamphlets. Choosing his name for a prize (unless he endowed it) means some one thought him notable. As he died over 90 years ago, since which much more has been written about history, it is not too surprising that mentions of him should be scarce, particularly since he (apparently) did not write in English (or even Latin script), which measn there are liable to be transliteration issues. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Hmm. I am a native speaker .... ∯WBG^converse 09:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Article should be there - Rampran Gupta is a notable Bengali scholar whose name is in Banglapedia, a Bengali encyclopedia of Bangladesh. (http://en.banglapedia.org/index.php?title=Gupta,_Rampran). Further it may be noted that different pages exist in Bengali Wikisource (https://bn.wikisource.org/wiki/লেখক:রামপ্রাণ_গুপ্ত). There are number of web references of Govt. where his books and works are recorded. Pinakpani (talk) 11:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Please see WP:NAUTHOR and WP:CIRCULAR. Also, WP:GNG. ∯WBG^converse 09:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The nominator clearly didn't read the sources carefully in Google Books. This source say the most prestigious prize in Bengali language literature is named for him. This source was listing his biography on Muhammad as a seminal work in Indian literature. Both of these sources are coming from authorities on Indian literature and major reference works. While he may be only briefly mentioned in these places, context is everything.4meter4 (talk) 08:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• You are outright fabricating the details in the sources.
• The first source mentions Bangiya Sahitya Parishad as an old literary institution in Bengal, which confers a lot many prizes and among whom, Rampran Gupta Prize is most notable. You have somehow managed to conflate BSP with the entire literary establishment w/o being aware of the fact that the most renowned and prestigious prize in Bengali language literature is Rabindra Puraskar (Bankim Puraskar comes in at a close second). BSP is pretty much a non-descript institute, which publishes an oft-shoddy journal. And, I was unable to find a single source in media (over the last two decades) that mentioned the Rampran Gupta Prize; ain't it a bit strange for all vernacular media to royally ignorethe most prestigious prize in Bengali language literature?
• The second source nowhere does state Rampran's work to be seminal. It name-drops the work to be one among popular hagiographies of religious figures along with 8 others. ∯WBG^converse 09:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Appologies if I misunderstood the significance of the prize, but I stand by my assessment of what the source says on the biography which is a list of "important" (ie seminal) not "popular" works. Either way, popular or important still makes him notable.4meter4 (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Pray point me to the exact line that deems the work to be 'important'. Since you are consistently mis-alluding stuff to sources, let me quote the passage:-∯WBG^converse 14:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Fifthavenuebrands (talk) 13:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Sometimes it is useful to keep articles on people such as this as a record that their work is not a reliable source. The Christian equivalent is sometimes called hagiography. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Apparently an exhaustive search in his native language has failed to turn up sources. —Мандичка^YO 😜 04:43, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Inadequate sources. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC).[reply]
• Delete. The sources do not justify notability, nobody has added better through multiple relists of this AfD, and I didn't find anything worthwhile in my own searches. I'm sensitive to the fact that there might be a language barrier here, but we can't assume the existence of sources out of airy nothing. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:42, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I trust the WP:BEFORE of a native speaker in establishing the unfortunate paucity of sources, particularly as this particular field of scholarship has seen a resurgence of (English language and indigenous) activity over recent decades. ——SN54129 11:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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