Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rappin' Granny (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 21:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Only claim to fame is a WP:1E as a runner up in America's Got Talent. Sources are all primary, no further independent RS found. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. (Not to be confused with another actress known as 'Rappin Granny). A previous AfD closed as 'No consensus'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:37, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Cruft, runner-ups in TV shows are not notable. CatcherStorm ^talk 10:50, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Hasn't made a career after that talent show and only acted in minor roles prior to it Seasider91 (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 18:10, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 18:10, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as there's particularly hardly much independent of America's Got Talent, WP:TNT at best. Since participated at the 2006 season and the article's history, this certainly questions the article's solidity. SwisterTwister talk 05:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability beyond BLP1E and no secondary sources. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Striking my "delete" in light of the comments below (but haven't look deep enough to go for a "Keep"). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. While I confess to my disappointment that Wikipedia's rules are strongly biased towards the inclusion of American pop culture trivia, I have to accept that there is sufficient notability according to those rules for this to be kept. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I invite the above !voters to take another look at the article and the sourcing, as it has been drastically improved. This article meets WP:BIO as several reliable sources (most pre-dating her time as a finalist on America's Got Talent) provide significant coverage of Smallwood and her career. The articles from XXL, Columbus Times, and especially Los Angeles Times establish notability. It only took me a minute to LA Times article, which is an independent, reliable source and demonstrates that her stint on America's Got Talent is not her "only claim to fame". WP:BIO1E doesn't apply here as it was only after she won a Granny of the Year contest, signed to a record label, made a battle rap against the Fresh Prince, had a soda named for her that, and appeared in multiple television shows and films that she was a finalist on the reality tv show. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Gobonobo makes a convincing argument; this article meets notability guidelines. Silent sovereign (talk) 19:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per the convincing arguments made by Gobonobo, hardly not a BLP1E either which throws that reasoning out with the bath water. GuzzyG (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Meets WP:BASIC: [1], [2], [3] (subscription required), [4], [5]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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