Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravi Atchuthan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space and submit it to WP:AFC for review, contact me or WP:REFUND. But if it is moved directly back to main space, it will be deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a filmmaker, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for filmmakers. As always, filmmakers are not "inherently" notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage and analysis about them and their work -- but this article was "sourced" predominantly to IMDb and his own LinkedIn and streaming copies of his films on YouTube, which are not support for notability, and even the three footnotes I didn't strip are still primary sources that still aren't support for notability, with not even one hit of GNG-worthy third-party coverage shown. And the closest thing to a notability claim is that he won a minor local-interest award that isn't prominent enough to clinch passage of WP:ANYBIO all by itself.
The notability test on Wikipedia, as always, doesn't hinge on saying that he did stuff -- it hinges on the amount of media coverage that he did or didn't get for doing stuff, and nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Sri Lanka, and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – after a close inspection, it is sought that heritage beyond borders may be a significant award, but not to a degree like a Grammys. Futhermore, if the award is not taken to consideration, the topic clearly fails notability guidelines. If the article would be kept, I would suggest adding the {{refimprove}} template or equivalent as large portions of the article is unsourced. Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 16:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I will add more sources Mfb2523 (talk) 22:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, There are Wikipedia articles of filmmakers that use IMDB as a source, for example Lenin M. Sivam's fourth reference is his IMDB page for his film "A Gun & a Ring." Also his third source is also his own IMDB for his film "Roobha." I don't understand why IMDB can't be a reliable source for filmmakers. I will add the {{refimprove}} template to the heritage beyond borders and other parts of the article. Also the Wikipedia page for 964 Pinocchio also has IMDB as one of their sources. Going back to Lenin M. Sivam's article, most of his Wikipedia page is unsourced with no {{refimprove}} template.

Thank you for editing this Wikipedia page and more importantly, thank you for the feedback. I hope to hear back from you soon. Mfb2523 (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I added a new source in Ravi Atchuthan's section "2014 - present: return to filmmaking. Also, I added [citation needed] in various sections.

Thank you. Mfb2523 (talk) 23:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There is no such thing on Wikipedia as "that other article is breaking the rules and thus this article is also allowed to break the rules" — that's a reason for that other article to get fixed and/or listed for deletion, not a reason for this article to be allowed to stay broken. Bearcat (talk) 16:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, thank you for bringing WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS to my attention. Can you please let me know if the article "Ravi Atchuthan" is now up to standard? Also, should I add more [citation needed] to various sections. Mfb2523 (talk) 22:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, could you please let me know if the article "Ravi Atchuthan" is now up to standard? Also, should I add more [citation needed] to various sections. Thank you. Mfb2523 (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's still referenced almost entirely to the same primary sources that weren't acceptable before — and the only new source you've added is one that briefly mentions Ravi Atchuthan's name without being about Ravi Atchuthan in any sense, which still isn't what we're looking for. We require detailed and substantive media coverage about Ravi Atchuthan and his work, not just technical verification that he exists. Bearcat (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I added another source, which is media coverage on the work of Ravi Atchuthan. Mfb2523 (talk) 02:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also I added the {{more citations needed}} template above the article so fellow Wikipedia editors can add to Ravi Atchuthan's article. Mfb2523 (talk) 02:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I added another reliable from The A.V. Club that proves Ravi Atchuthan's film Malare Mounama, which stars a popular Indian actress Aunja Iyer. Mfb2523 (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, you're still not getting it. The AV Club citation you added is not an article about Ravi Atchuthan's film, it's just a directory entry, and the other new source you added is just a photo gallery of people at a screening, neither of which are what's required. Like I said before, we are not looking for simple verification that he and his films exist, we're looking for substantive written prose content about them — journalism about him, reviews of his films by professional film critics, etc. — to verify that he his films have been independently assessed as significant by people other than his own public relations agent. Directory entries don't cut it, and photo galleries don't cut it, and primary sourcing doesn't cut it. Bearcat (talk) 21:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for the feedback, I will be adding sources in the next couple of days.

Also I added the

template above the article so fellow Wikipedia editors can add to Ravi Atchuthan's article. Mfb2523 (talk) 03:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I have removed the poor sources you mentioned the article has. Mfb2523 (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specific analysis of available source material would be very helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.