Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rendere

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Jukun people (West Africa). Sourced content can be merged from the history.  Sandstein  16:11, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A few issue with this article. Quite a lengthy article about a tribe, which is a fork of Jukun people (West Africa). In the main article, this tribe is only mentioned in passing. The fork article does not deliver any external references to substantiate any claims. Furthermore, the author of the WP article appears to quote his own work as only source, invalidating that source. The entire article is effectively WP:OR. May also raise copyright concerns. I have not really found any external sources about the Rendere. For now, I'd propose deletion or redirect and merge with the main article of the Jukun - until better sources are found. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 17:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I don't know this tribe, but from what is online it is a tribe of a more covered Jukun people. From my understanding on what is encyclopedic, being a tribe falls in that category but the extreme lack of verifiable sources makes me want to suggest a redirect to Jukun people. Although, the inclusionist part of me wants to blank the lengthy unsourced overview section and keep the article. Darreg (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• According to the article, the language they speak is Rindre and that doesn't appear related to that of the Jukun [1] [2]. If Rindre is an alternative spelling of the name of the people, then there are quite a few sources out there. – Uanfala (talk) 00:19, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The links you provided didn't show anything at my end. Probably needed some sort of authentication before granting me access. Jukun is like a race, similar to when people segregate the cultural diversities of Nigeria into Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa, even though there are still hundreds of ethnic groups that will tell you they aren't Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa. The languages of each tribe is independent of each-other, and often times only the major ones are documented. Did the link you provide list all the tribes and languages of Jukun and there wasn't Rindre language?

If there are references for Rindre, and we can establish that it is spoken by Rendere tribe in central Nigeria then this article can be kept in my opinion. Darreg (talk) 10:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The links were just the glottolog entries for the two language varieties. It's open access, and you should be able to see the entries in the phylogenetic tree. There's not much info beyond that. But the parent entry for Rindre is Nungu [3], corresponding to our Nungu language. Glottolog says that it's also known as Rendre, Rindiri or Rindre (these are displayed if you click on "Alternative names" in the upper-right corner). – Uanfala (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

if there are references that can be added, agree to keep. However, the article will need a rewrite based on those sources. I'm not overly happy with the current self-referenced text. We don't have access to that text and I have a suspicion that this is a copy/paste job of an essay or other published work. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 16:22, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand now Uanfala. I agree with you Jake, but I doubt we can find references before this AFD is closed. What will be done if that is the case, delete? Darreg (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Admins can decide to redirect Rendere to the higher level article about the Jukun people. Whatever additional info about the Rendere that has been identified can then be added in that article. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 06:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.