Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Requiem for MH-17

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Opinions are divided, and considering that the article cites sources that appear to be mainstream media sources, such as Fakty i Kommentarii, I can't give decisive weight to the arguments criticizing the quality of the sourcing.  Sandstein  07:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Unable to find any reliable third-party sources to establish the notability of this poem. WWGB (talk) 11:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear WWGB,

Thank you for alerting me. As far as I understand, the main motive for proposing deletion is lack of evidence for notability of the poem, right? Perhaps the reason why you cannot confirm its notability (if you've tried) is that you are looking for it in English. Search in Russian ("Реквием по МН-17" in quotes, I include the link for results below) and you'll see that this - only one week old! - poem returns 54,000 hits, with numerous sites copying it, with radio broadcasts, replies in verse written, some sites closed for commenting it in anticipation of hate statements, some news sources claiming (I cannot confirm whether this correct) that the author's work (not only this but in general) has already been officially banned, etc. etc. It is an important political story developing alongside the MH-17 crash, and attracting in Russia perhaps as much attention (and tension) as the crash itself. It is invisible in the West because of the language barrier, but I don't think such barrier justifies exclusion from Wikipedia. I'd be happy to address other issues as well, but I'd like to hear first whether what I've said makes sense. Thanks, here is the search link [1] Borisovich (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC) BTW, here is a reprint of the poem on an Israeli tv channel page: [2][reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 15:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Flash-in-the-pan, no coverage qua poem. WP:NOTNEWS. --Bejnar (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Some nobody wrote a poem. Next. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 16:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge The reading by a well-known actress of a poem critical of the government on "the last bastion of free media in Russia" is definitely notable in Russian language sources. Try Russian language google news search. Or run a couple of these selected links thru google translate. [3], [4], [5]. Orlusha is not well known in english language sources, but see [6] for a brief mention. The historical role of poetry in Russian political dissent may also be relevant in judging notability. See, e.g., Requiem (Anna Akhmatova). The Memorials section of International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown comes to mind as one possible merge target. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some nobody wrote a poem Andrei "Orlusha" Orlov is not a nobody. He is a celebrity in Russia, and if you follow the link to his page in Russian rhyme, rhithm, tomwikipedia, you'll find (in Russian, of course) a link to the article of Dmitry Bykov where he claims that "Orlusha is the principal Russian poet of our time". (Well, to explain who Dmitry Bykov is, it suffices to say that, among dozens of other roles, he is the author of an award-winning biography of Pasternak.) If Orlusha were nobody, then no one would pay attention to his poem in Russia in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borisovich (talk • contribs) 23:52, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Agree that the reading by a well-known actress of a poem critical of the government on "the last bastion of free media in Russia" is definitely notable. English translation is horrid at the moment but better ones are in the works. As long as notable developments in foreign countries are allowed, this should stay.Wilanthule (talk) 02:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What Wikipedia policy or guideline regarding notability do you base this on? --Bejnar (talk) 15:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wilanthule, a better translation would be great. Could you please make sure it's not a pony, but is respectful to the art form of the original (rhyme, rhythm, tone, etc.)? Thanks! Borisovich (talk) 09:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep, for now. My Russian is only rudimentary at best, but Orlov (not the same person as Andrei Orlov, by the way) seems to be a reasonably noted writer, and the reading out of the poem seems to have caused some political ripples. I expect there may be additional sources available in Russian or Ukrainian that would push this past the WP:GNG, but I don't have the language skills to fish them out. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 05:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• delete Fails WP:GNG for 3 weeks already. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep added references to translations (now in three languages) and references to establish heated discussions of poem on highly-visited Russian forums. Perevodit (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note forums are not valid references for wikipedia.Staszek Lem (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The article does not mention what the Poem is about. As a reader the state of this article is not useful. 78.35.217.33 (talk) 16:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete most of the sources given are not reliable sources; they are blogs, forums and networking sites. I would love to cover this topic but I don't see it passing the GNG --Guerillero | My Talk 04:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.