Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Returns from Troy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 14:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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All of the references are primary sources - i can find no secondary sources about the concept, ie actual discussions of "returns from Troy". Doug Weller talk 08:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as WP:OR; no significant coverage from secondary sources. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The returns from Troy are widely discussed, but more often with the term "nostoi" (which is also the name of a lost epic poem about the subject. one option might be to merge this into that, but they aren't actually the same because plenty of return myths cannot be surely traced to the lost epic poem). Examples of scholarly discussion:

• Evelyn-White, Hugh G. (1910). "The Myth of the Nostoi". The Classical Review. 24 (7): 201–205. ISSN 0009-840X.
• Malkin, Irad (1998). The Returns of Odysseus: Colonization and Ethnicity. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-92026-2., especially the introductory discussion of the importance of myths of return in the development of ancient Greek colonization.
• Hornblower, Simon; Biffis, Giulia (2018). The Returning Hero: nostoi and Traditions of Mediterranean Settlement. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-253941-0. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Furius (talk • contribs)

• Keep: For the reasons stated above. The problem is not that there is a lack of significant coverage; the problem is that it needs adding to the page. Endlesspumpkin (talk) 14:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. The topic is notable, but this is obscured by the articles exclusive focus on ancient primary, sources rather than modern academic ones. Such as Hall, Edith. Return of Ulysses: A Cultural History of Homer's Odyssey. Iran: I.B.Tauris, 2008.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eluchil404 (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While it looks at first glance as though the assertion regarding lack of secondary sources has been refuted, the unsigned comments make me reluctant to close this as is. Some additional views assessing those sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 13:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are all sources by respected academics. Endlesspumpkin (talk) Endlesspumpkin (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep A quick search on google scholar show several additional sources discussing the concept of nostos/nostoi (for example:[1], [2], [3]). The article needs a lot of work, but I don't see a case for deletion. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 22:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.