Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RobLuna

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:12, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Has many sources but none are reliable sources with any coverage of him. Releases are only mixtapes and are not on an important label. Posted at RobLuna instead of Rob Luna in a bad faithed way of avoiding salt. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:02, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Please help us prevent this page from being marked for deletion, it has been on Wikipedia for over a year and as of recent weeks, there appears to be some sort of malicious intent towards trying to take this page down.

There are many authors that have worked on this page and it seems that the following statement of "Releases are only mixtapes and are not on an important label." is a very biased opinion when in fact mixtapes are very common in the hip hop industry and are released by many other mainstream artists.

Also, please consider that this person does have reliable resources, for example, one of the links cited in the article is for a verified Facebook page under "Rob Luna Music" (in which Facebook only issues to notable figures) and this person is also credited for notable work on films/movies referenced on IMdB (Internet Movie Database). Thank you for your help in all of this.Jackboro1 (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

— Note to closing admin: Jackboro1 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.

• Neutral Well, I'm leaning on remove since Jackboro1 has just blatantly lied. The article is most certainly not "years" old. If you look at its history, it was made November 4th, 2015. Also, I agree the posting under RobLuna rather than Rob Luna is shady. I may change my views as the topic goes on. Fritzmann2002 (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fritzmann2002, we should not assume any wrong doing in this case (nor make accusations). It seems that when the original page "Rob_Luna" was maliciously deleted, the year+ long history would of disappeared as well. The history you are referring to (as dating November 4th) could simply be from a recent attempt to recreate the deleted page. Jackboro1 (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the page name change (from "Rob_Luna" to "RobLuna"), it looks like Derek_R_Bullamore (a Master Editor III) made an honest attempt to help contribute/restore and clean URL issues. Either way, thanks for putting your time into this guys.Jackboro1 (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Question - Jackboro1 do you know of any references that the person has not contributed himself? Surely it is fairly obvious that a facebook page is not independent secondary evidence? Are there music news articles etc about him? JMWt (talk) 11:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove - After JMWt's comment, I'm changing my vote to remove. I've looked at the sources and they do not seem reliable. If Jackboro1 can find one reliable source, however, I would say Keep. Fritzmann2002 13:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This person has an established IMDb page located here http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0526084 and also TCM (Turner Classic Movies) page http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/1161032%7C0/Rob-Luna/filmography.htmlJackboro1 (talk) 15:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The TCM link seems a bit better, but that only lists two films. Seems to me someone might do that before they've actually become notable (eg they were involved as an intern, say). If this is the best you have, I'm afraid I'm coming down on the side of Delete.JMWt (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Cleaned up clutter, some duplicate keeps (done out of not understanding process, sorry) and spam Jackboro1 (talk) 15:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral There are good points made from everyone here. I would want to see what else can be found on the subject especially pertaining to notability. We all need to make sure we adhere to the already set guidelines as opposed to judging based on our individual opinions. I might be leaning on remove depending on what else is provide/argued. But I am also leaning on the side of keep, especially since there are items in WP:GNG that ARE satisfactory. Tyler mongrove (talk) 15:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• To Jackboro1: do not delete votes from a deletion discussion, or otherwise delete comments and markups from a deletion discussion, as you did here: [1]. You deleted two separate delete votes. The way you deleted them to me looks like deliberate and misleading vandalism. I'm reposting my comment and tagging SwisterTwister whose comment was also removed. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I can't seem to find any reliable coverage of this person. Citations on the page aren't reliable, either from blogs or social media, and mentions of him are trivial. Not enough to establish notability or pass WP:NMUSIC. FuriouslySerene (talk) 9:42 am, 12 November 2015, last Thursday (4 days ago) (UTC−5)
• Delete as the current article is not suggesting how he is better notable and improvable. SwisterTwister talk 15:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I say if Paris Hilton has notability then so can a lot of these folks! But on a serious note gents, I've heard of him on the radio (hip hop) so he's definitely known BillWyman (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC) — BillWyman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Delete and WP:SALT both RobLuna and Rob Luna, fails WP:BASIC and does not qualify for anything under WP:MUSICBIO. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 23:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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