Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saboto Caesar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep per WP:CSK (withdrawn nomination). Satisfies WP:NPOL. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saboto Caesar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This page is about a politician in Saint Vincent that doesn't seem to pass WP:POLITICIAN. Sources that can be found (and that are in the article) are just primary sources (that has been repeatedly added by one editor) to the agriculture.gov.vc website and caribbeanelections.com. A WP:BEFORE check did not turn up any significant third party sources (other than local news). Mike Allen 22:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Mike Allen 22:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 22:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: User:IslandScholar has removed the AFD notice twice even after being warned not to. I have not restored again because I do not want to edit war over it. They are being very disruptive. They have also reverted the AFD bot. Mike Allen 22:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported the user to WP:AN3. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 23:26, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does holding the position of Minister Of Agriculture for St. Vincent And The Grenadines not pass WP:POLITICIAN? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep: WP:SK#3 as basically completely erroneous. Did the nominator even read the article? It's literally in the 2nd sentence:He is an elected member of parliament and minister of agriculture for Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Curbon7 (talk) 00:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw and close. I didn’t realize being a politician with only primary sources satisfied WP:GNG. My bad. Mike Allen 00:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, the article does need ref improvement, but WP:NPOL is one of the most clear-cut bars to pass, in that the offices that are considered presumptively notable are very clearly defined. This leans on WP:NEXIST, in that as long as it is sourced that a subject has held an WP:NPOL-qualifying office (in this case, an MP), it is sufficient. Curbon7 (talk) 01:01, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't difficult to find secondary sources referring to Caesar as Minister of Agriculture. [1][2][3] and more... AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Elected members of a national legislative body pass WP:NPOL. The standard for national and state/provincial wide officials is a clear bar (subject to WP:V). --Enos733 (talk) 06:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep: Clearly passes WP:NPOL. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 07:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.