Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Cowen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to 947 (radio station). Consensus for merging to radio station article, which can be further discussed outside AfD if appropriate. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Borderline, but I couldn't establish that Cowen meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Any WP:ATD, such as redirect to Come Dine With Me South Africa, wouldn't really be helpful to readers. Boleyn (talk) 12:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• (selectively) Merge to 947 (radio station). She actually has a fair bit of coverage, (for her book [1][2] among other things [3]) but it's almost all in primary sources. Mach61 (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Well known celebrity and radio presenter. Meets WP:GNG Coverage in secondary sources [4][5]. Longest running female morning radio show host in South Africa[6]. Sunday Times/Times Live [7] [8][9][10]. News24 [11] [12][13][14]. There's also lots of coverage around Jeremy Mansfield, but I've only added sources that cover her. I can look for more sources. Nominators for South African articles should at least search News24, TimesLive and IOL for coverage. Park3r (talk) 00:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Park3r Please read WP:NEWSPRIMARY, and select which, if any, of these sources are not primary sources. Mach61 (talk) 03:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:NEWSPRIMARY is an essay, not a policy. Furthermore even that essay identifies book reviews as secondary sources of which there are at least two above. Park3r (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  They should also search The South African, every source mentioned by Park3r is secondary and the first half are green sources. dxneo (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, you should probably also do a formal keep vote if you believe the sources are reliable and the article is notable. Park3r (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I reviewed those sources before posting my !vote and then saw this. I disagree that these sources establish notability. All of the News24 sources are routine or run-of-the-mill coverage. 11 is a brief intro to a now unavailable "honest and open Facebook post." 12 and 13 are run-of-the-mill coverage noting her announcement that she was leaving 94.7. 14 is the same regarding 91.9. This and this are interviews and this is an excerpt from her book. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect Merge to 947 (radio station)#Breakfast Show History: She's certainly a well-known radio personality in South Africa, and she has regularly received coverage in the media, but all of the coverage appears to be routine (such as announcements of her leaving a radio station), media stunts, or quoting her social media posts. I think redirecting to the above article is appropriate because she appears to be best associated with that show. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC), changed to merge per Mach61. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment from nominator merge to radio station does look like a good option. Boleyn (talk) 12:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per others. This might be a case of redirect with possibilities, where sufficient WP:RS coverage does exist, but hasn't been brought forward in the article or this AfD, or where we can assume (without wishing to violate WP:CRYSTALBALL) that other sources could emerge in the next few years that might just tip the subject into clearer notability. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 02:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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