Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandra Appiah

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The result was keep. Consensus now clear to keep. Tone 19:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable outside of company, fails to establish notability as an individual. All of her news coverage are primarily for the company. Meeanaya (talk) 04:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Meeanaya (talk) 04:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose The press coverage linked in the lemma is about her as an individual. The "30 under 30" is about her as an entrepreneur, it's a list of individuals, not of less-than-thirty-year-old companies. That is markedly different from cases where an individual is only mentioned in passing in press coverage of their company. That she is notable primarily for her work with one company is irrelevant, as long as the coverage is primarily about her as a person, as in this case. Markus Pössel (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Publications coming out annually with "30 under 30" and "40 under 40" and othersuch lists, getting on such a list is no where near a sign of notability. Meeanaya (talk) 04:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, plenty of reliable sources that establishes notability [1], [2], a catched copy of a 2013 interview by BET, [3], and one of the Most Influential People of African Descent (MIPAD) as well as one of the top 50 CEOs in Ghana. At the very least, she passes WP:BASIC. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources are not reliable, interviews are primary sources, clearly fails WP:BASIC. Meeanaya (talk) 12:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The Ebony piece goes to notability, but the rest of the sources do not make any convincing case. Neither are the awards notable. Article was created by SPA, who also created the Face2Face Africa, the only article having a meaningful link to this one. It seems then, that this is a little walled-garden and this article is basically an orphan. All-in-all, it seems likely to be promo/fan/vanity page. Agricola44 (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. The "30 under 30" listing does not count as a significant award (there are too many of them), but it does count as in-depth coverage by a reliable source. So do the newsone (via Huffpo) and Le Figaro pieces. So I think she passes WP:GNG. I've removed some of the more egregiously promotional writing from the article but it could still use more help. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I stand corrected on the 30 under 30 part; see below. I still think the other coverage is in-depth and reliable enough for a weak pass. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The write-up in Le Figaro is not long but it is solid [4], and the pieces in The Grio [5] and Newsone (picked up by HuffPo) are adequately in-depth. The BET interview [6] is a primary source as far as Appiah's statements about herself are concerned, but it does represent the world taking notice and thus counts in her favor for wiki-notability. (This is generally true of interviews; after all, publications have their choice of people to interview.) That's enough to pass WP:GNG. XOR'easter (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Face2Face Africa, co-founding of which is the subect's sole claim to fame and the context in which she has received coverage. Firstly, I'll note that the article as it stands is clearly promotional and shows clear signs of COI/UPE, such as containing details and content (eg, birthdate, schooling details, photograph) not obtained from any of the cited sources. It also misrepresents its sourcing and what they say. Examples:
  • Appiah was not included in a Forbes 30 Under 30 list. The cited list is simply one compiled by an individual Forbes Contributor. See WP:RS/P's entry on "Forbes contributors" and linked RSN discussions for details on why such content is deemed "generally unreliable" and should not be used as a source, especially in a BLP. Note too that another of the cited sources in the current draft is simply a press-release about the column in Forbes, which nevertheless describes the list in a (technically) accurate manner, "Writing for Forbes.com, contributor Mfonobong Nsehe pulled together a list..."
  • The cited Huffington Post article is simply a blurb to an article published in NewsOne.

Overall, the write-ups/press-releases about Appiah are linked to the launch of Face2Face (thus the concentration of sourcing around Jan 2013), or launch of a a program on the website. The content is therefore best covered at Face2Face Africa itself.

PS: The Face2Face Africa article itself will need a clean up, since it too is written in a promotional and misleading manner. For example, Face2Face is not a "pan-African media company"; it is not even an African company. Rather it is a New York based website that covers Africa with a view to promote pan-African themes. Abecedare (talk) 16:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I cut the "30 under 30" blurb (an edit that was on my to-do list, but I was diverted until just now by a bagel sandwich). XOR'easter (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Got your priorities straight. :-) Abecedare (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As per XOR'easter. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Face2Face Africa - Epinoia (talk) 23:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Current references show that she just passes WP:GNG. Pichpich (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have moved the sources listed under References to inline citations, and added some more sources and information. While a lot of coverage of her was generated by the launch of the Face2Face print magazine, the Figaro profile is from 2015. There is enough coverage about her to meet WP:BASIC. (I also found two paras from 2004 about a Sandra Appiah attending the English High School in Boston [7], which sounds like her - she had helped form an Africans Around the World club, for example - except that this article says she went to high school in the Bronx.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per non-trivial WP:RS meets WP:GNG Wm335td (talk) 21:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I agree with User: RebeccaGreen who wrote: "...added some more sources and information... There is enough coverage about her to meet WP:BASIC." In some cases it is better to upgrade and source an article rather than be quick to try to delete it. Many of the AfD nominations could be completely avoided if people did this. So much drama and unproductive work could be avoided if more editors were like User: RebeccaGreen. Also, User:Senegambianamestudy made a strong argument. Namely, User:Senegambianamestudy wrote: " plenty of reliable sources that establishes notability [8], [9], a catched copy of a 2013 interview by BET, [10], and one of the Most Influential People of African Descent (MIPAD) as well as one of the top 50 CEOs in Ghana." After all is said and done there is sufficient depth and breadth of coverage to keep the article. Finally, doing business is very challenging in many parts of Africa due to excessive regulation and that it is a developing country.[11] So why make it harder on her? I think it is great that she has an article and I find her work admirable. She could have done business in the USA easily, but she chose the tougher path. But I am sure it is very rewarding for her (I know a couple of people who have done business in Africa and it rewarding to make a poor country more prosperous). Knox490 (talk) 03:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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