Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shayne Topp

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shayne Topp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Entertainers. Strongest claim is an ongoing minor role in The Goldbergs (2013 TV series). Coverage in relible sources is passing mentions with links to further coverage only in non-reliable sources.

Previous CSD-ed and PROD-ed. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:12, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Redirect to The Goldbergs (2013 TV series), in anticipation that the actor may later become Wikipedia-notable. The mention in Smosh is unworthy, supported only be a youtube link. The appropriate Wikipedia:Alternative outlets is http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2425775/. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:57, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:02, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep; Topp has quite the sizable filmography list. Wikipedia:The GNG and notability for actors

*WP:ENT allows that notability may be considered if the actor has "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" but does not mandate that the subject must also always meet the GNG.

* WP:ANYBIO states that winning a notable award or receiving multiple nominations for such awards shows notability... as long as the assertion is properly WP:Verified in reliable sources. It does not also demand meeting GNG.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderHovanec (talk • contribs) 21:50, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Shayne has not played any roles of significance, as judged by an independent source commenting on him playing a particular role.
• Shayne does not appear to have won any notable awards:
  • Shayne_Topp#Awards_and_Nominations contains no indication that these awards are notable. There is not Wikipedia article even mentioning these awards. Dear_Lemon_Lima#Release appears to claim coverage of winning "the LAFF award", but this award is not defined, and of the proffered sources, one is broken and the other contains no mention of Topp. Whether LAFF means Laff (TV network) or Latin American Film Festival, neither contain any mention of Topp. The apparent claims fail verification, let alone secondary source coverage.

--SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:02, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Third party sources have been found, and Topp has a sizable filmography with a number of notable roles. 117Avenue (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • But none are suitably sourced, so WP:NOTPROMOTION applies. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Not that anyone knows who Nadine Rose Mulkerrin is, but why does this small time actress deserve an article, when Topp has clearly accomplished more? -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think of it as confusion between WP:Verifiability and WP:Notability. Actors in movies and TV are easily verified. They get brief mentions in reviews of the movie or TV show. Few, though, get specific treatment by reviewers, and so are not notable. Small role TV sitcom actors are at the boundary of what gets included as biographies, and people seem to ignore IMDb as the better resource for actors. Both Shayne and Nadine, what sourceable commentary is there to say about them, beyond simple facts? The article says Shayne won a 2009 Jury Prize, but the source says nothing about Shayne, just two adjectives for his character. I think all these characters, and fact collecting for TV shows, belong at IMDb, and should only b covered by Wikipedia where there is independent secondary source coverage that contains at least two sentences of commentary about the subject. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:48, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep a redirect isn't appropriate. As a person active in the entertainment industry with a decent resume, it's simpler to give the benefit of the doubt to keep the article, at least for now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now. He has some coverage in news and won awards. (though we may not call it "significant"). Also there are more sources not currently used in the article. He met some requirements of WP:ACTOR  — Ammarpad (talk) 03:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Has roles in many notable films. EMachine03 (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.