Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slipstream (science fiction)

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:19, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Essentially a less common term for Hyperspace (science fiction) but drawn out to a fancrufty extreme. Two pages for the same general concept aren't necessary. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 09:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. There is a sub-genre of SF called slipstream which is definitely notable (whole chapter in The Oxford Handbook of Science Fiction) but this article is not about that. I don't agree that the term is synonymous with hyperspace as claimed in the nom. It seems more akin to wormhole to me so a redirect there would be inappropriate. SpinningSpark 16:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. This book has some discussion of the idea, but the topic of the book is not science fiction so not a particularly strong source. SpinningSpark 16:50, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The book calls slipstream a "subspace tunnel", which is the same thing as hyperspace (science fiction). It still proves my point that there is no need for 2 articles on the same topic._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • They are not the same thing. Hyperspace is usually depicted as a separate dimensional space to normal space (try reading the article) although as it is entirely fictional SF authors are free to describe it however they want. The very real science concept of a wormhole, on the other hand, is much like a tunnel. However, slipstream should not be synonymised with wormhole either because a fictional phenomenon should not be conflated with a scientifically supported phenomenon. SpinningSpark 11:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • A separate dimensional space and a tunnel through a separate dimensional space. One is logically a subcategory of the other, not a completely different thing. Either way, their usage varies so widely that the only way to nail down what they are is to lump them under "Hyperspace", different ways of using other dimensions to travel faster than light. A single book mention is not enough to prove the term passes WP:GNG._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm seeing a lot of comparisons being done between slipstream and hyperspace on SF fandom forums [1][2][3][4][5]. None of that is usable RS in article of course, but it does show that that there is a distinction being drawn by the community. On the other hand no reliable sources have been presented indicating that they should be treated as synonyms. There is therefore no justification in sources for Wikipedia to so treat them. I wouldn't be averse to slipstream and hyperspace and others being pulled together into Faster-than-light travel (science fiction) or some such title. But treating slipstream as a hyponym of hyperspace, no. SpinningSpark 21:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • The problem is that in its current state, the article makes no indication of what "Slipstream" actually is, beyond examples that vary widely. If that can be nailed down by reliable sources, then I would not be averse to a Faster-than-light travel in fiction article that contains both in their own sections._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • Definition by example is a recognised methodology. As an entirely fictional phenomenon, this term is pretty muck defined by the works in which it has appeared. SpinningSpark 14:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete & redirect to Hyperspace_(science_fiction)#Other_forms where the subject is already discussed. The present article is unsourced original research, without possibility of improvement. It's possible that the target section should be prune as well, but that's a separate matter. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:44, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Spinningspark. The two terms are distinct, but both the terms should ideally be covered in the context of a single page on FLT in science fiction. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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