Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Supreme Intelligence

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The consensus is not to delete, therefore default keep. A merge or other editorial actions are of course possible. Tone 19:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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No WP:Reliable sources that this topic is WP:Notable. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is interesting. I completely agree and I think this applies to a very high percentage of such characters: they lack reliable secondary independent sourcing, and even if they "exist" in a bunch of other comics and movies, that doesn't mean they are of encyclopedic value. Not without secondary sourcing. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep if sources can be found, otherwise merge into either List of Marvel Comics characters: S or Kree. BOZ (talk) 05:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updating: Based on the sources presented below by Jhenderson777 and Den..., I believe we now have enough to meet the WP:GNG, so I am affirming my Keep above, and I imagine FreeKnowledgeCreator and TriiipleThreat would concur, and possibly some of the others as well. BOZ (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per BOZ. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: 22 references to primary sources, three references to unreliable sources, and one reference to Screener for TV episode listings. This article handily fails our notability guideline. — fourthords | =Λ= | 16:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:ATD: Article can be improved by regular editing. After a quick google search sources do exist, they just aren’t being used.—-TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait--so we have three keeps. The first actually says "if sources can be found", and lists no sources. The second says "per first", so that also means nothing. The third says "oh there's Google hits". Drmies (talk) 00:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I could not find enough third-party, reliable sources to prove notability for this to have a standalone article. I do not believe a merge would be helpful, as I am uncertain if there is enough information support by third-party, reliable sources to use. BOZ's keep argument is purely on the condition "if sources can be found". If FreeKnowledgeCreator agrees with him, then they should list the references here to prove notability. Same goes to TriiipleThreat. Aoba47 (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Kree, as the character is relevant and important to the topic and not all aspects within an article require to meet GNG if the article as a whole does. If the reliable sources mentioned are provided, then keep. --Killer Moff (talk) 12:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Kree. Secondary sources are hard to come by for this character (partly because of rampant speculation about a future film incarnation), but the character is extremely notable within the fiction. Removing the information entirely would be detrimental to the 45-50 articles that refer to it in-line. The proposed target already refers to the subject some 58 times without providing any history or context. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upon further review, the Kree-Skrull War section of Kree provides enough context for the character already. I think a simple Redirect is sufficient. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• I am leaning on Keep. Many news result on the character lately. Such as IGN describing them. "The Kree are ruled by a leader called the Supreme Intelligence, a being who's basically little more than a floating head with almost limitless brainpower. The Supreme Intelligence's will is enforced by a group of powerful warriors/space cops called Accusers." I personally think they are separate of Kree so I don't think they should be merged there. Most of the sources are likely MCU speculations (like Argento Surfer said) or descriptions but still that helps prove notability for the future. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Merging fancruft to fancruft still leaves it as fancruft. The Kree article is not in a much better state. This should be deleted as non-notable, Wikia caliber material._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • AfD isn't clean up, and a high quality Kree article would necessarily include significant information about the Supreme Intelligence. I think WP:PRESERVE applies here. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:PRESERVE is heavily misused to preserve fictional minutia. People seem to miss the part about not preserving things that are wholly WP:OR or at least primary sourced with no secondary sources._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 22:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Are you implying that I'm misusing it here, and that a finished article on the Kree would not include information on the Supreme Intelligence? Argento Surfer (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It is true that the article relies heavily on primary sources and as such it can be portrayed as original research, but here are two secondary sources, which are also scholarly analyses, that has tilted me toward keeping it: Darowski and Weiner. Den... (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The character is a major supervillain and so covered in numerous works including the following.Andrew D. (talk) 17:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1. The Ages of the Avengers
2. Marvelous Mythology
3. 100 Things Avengers Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die
4. The Comic Book Heroes
5. The Comics Journal
6. Comic Book Creativity as Displaced Aggression
7. The Supervillain Book
8. Marvel Universe

When did TCJ cover the Supreme Intelligence? (I'm not skeptical, just surprised.) Argento Surfer (talk) 18:26, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2005. Andrew D. (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, more than notable enough. Kree is absurdly long as it is and should not be bloated further. —Xezbeth (talk) 19:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep article on notable comic book character. Merging into another article that is already extremely long does not seem practical. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 09:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.