Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swagg Man

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The result was keep. Consensus is that the article meets the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP of a musician, making no claim of notability strong enough to pass WP:NMUSIC and relying almost entirely on primary (sales pages on Google Play and iTunes) and bloggy sources. There's one reliable source in here, but one source isn't enough to satisfy WP:GNG — and while the strongest claim of notability here, peaking #189 on the French singles chart, would probably be enough if the article were well-sourced, it doesn't confer a notability freebie on a person whose article is otherwise sourced this badly. A Google News search, further, didn't bring up any significant coverage in quality sources, but simply hit more coverage of the junk-blog variety. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if the quality of sourcing improves. Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 21:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:59, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I created this article because he is well-known in France and has charted on the French Singles Chart. Le Monde is a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HipHopVisionary (talk • contribs) 11:30, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One reliable source is not enough to get a person over WP:GNG by itself. It takes multiple reliable sources. And a musician has to explicitly satisfy one of the listed criteria at WP:NMUSIC to qualify for an article — a person does not get an article just because one editor asserts that they're well-known, if sufficient sourcing isn't there to properly support an article. Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As Bearcat says, one reliable source that covers the subject substantially is not enough to satisfy GNG. Nor does peaking at # 189 appear to be sufficient. Epeefleche (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning to keep, not just covered on Le Monde but also in Les Inrockuptibles [1], Le Matin [2], the printed magazine Entrevue (May issue) [3], another French magazine called Biba [4], and on Vice.com [5]. Also, an article on La Meuse [6], multiple (while non impressive) news articles on Melty [7] and a lot more to eventually check (12,000 news articles on French Google News archives [8]). Appears to pass the GNG threshold. Cavarrone 19:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on the coverage identified above by Cavarrone. --Michig (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While I don't dispute that there is coverage of the subject in line with WP:VERIFY, I do think it's important to note that having reliable sources alone does not guarantee inclusion under WP:GNG, rather, it implies notibility but editors should use their judgement in determining whether the sources establish notability and how significant the coverage is. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. Currently the article has no more information than a list of his tracks, where he currently lives, and that he has a tattoo on his head, and half the citations are to the artist's itunes listings. I don't speak French, but looking at the articles linked here (and as they are cited on the article page) using Google Translate, they seem to be rather minor news stories that simply talk about either his tracks or his head tattoo. I'm very dubious of the encyclopedic value of this article if the most interesting thing we have written about him is the tattoo he has on his head. We aren't a paper encyclopedia so we can have a page for every artist who has released a track and been interviewed a couple times, but should we? I do not believe that the sources available at this time give enough information about the subject to warrant an encyclopedia entry. Wugapodes (talk) 22:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Article now well sourced with a number of reputable sources. Swagg Man has veritably become a cultural phenomenon. His second album MST has charted this week in SNEP French Albums Chart http://lescharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Swagg+Man&titel=MST&cat=a Article needs to be developed further.werldwayd (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.