Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Man Neel o Neel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Saife Hassan. There is consensus against the existence of a standalone article based on currently available sourcing. There wasn't clear consensus on the target of a redirect: choosing the director as that was suggested, but this is no bar to a retarget. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tan Man Neel o Neel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Presently non-notable TV series. Likely WP:TOOSOON, it only premiered December 2024. No coverage that is actual SIGCOV independent reviews, only things in my BEFORE are re-announcements of press releases or non-independent promotional material. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Pakistan. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: At the very least, a redirect is warranted (director). Coverage includes a bylined review in Youlin (some users find that website of dubious reliabilty, fwiw; I would tend to find it acceptable) ; also https://www.siasat.com/3-exciting-new-pakistani-dramas-that-kicked-off-in-december-2024-3145075/ ; https://images.dawn.com/news/1193112/pakistani-actors-who-stood-out-in-2024 All in all, and with coverage allowing to verify the cast, allows a potentially decent page imv. -Mushy Yank. 19:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll analyse the link links you've given above, feel free to suggest more:

Or if you disagree with the above analysis, I would be happy to discuss. Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It's just [that] a "three sentence paragraph", for example, is not a trivial mention; I would tend to count it for notability, personally.

The same thing goes for the third source: "Tan Man Neel o Neel, which explores the dark effects of mob mentality and the harsh realities of social extremism. In this role, she truly impressed with her ability to step away from the bubbly characters she’s often known for. From her accent to her makeover and the subtlety in her expressions, Sehar proved that she has much more to offer than just light-hearted roles." is a significant mention not a passing mention. Even what is said about Asad - "In Tan Man Neel o Neel, Asad plays the role of a dancer striving to make a breakthrough. Whether it’s his emotional crying scenes or his powerful moments opposite Sehar Khan, he’s truly shining in every scene."- can be considered significant about an aspect of the series.

So, yes, basically, I disagree. Especially as these are bylined articles.

Significance, just like notability, is a threshold.

But again, if everyone thinks a line or two in the page of the director is enough and that reducing mentions of series with notable cast that air on a major network, to redirects is OK, then at least that seems warranted. The article about Mann Jogi mentions this is the third part of a trilogy, so navigation-wise, I would favour a Keep but, again, that's just me. You will generally not get articles in the New York Times about even very popular Pakistani series, so for me Wikipedia:Systemic bias applies, but again, if consensus is that existing coverage is not enough, then, it should prevail. -Mushy Yank. 21:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - a redirect as an WP:ATD would be acceptable as well - Sources are available it does not add up to significant coverage. This is a paragraph announcing its launch, this is about actors and only mentions the show, and this from Youlin magazine is not a reliable source. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I voted the article to stay by --Sunuraju (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The sources are particularly bad, even by the standards of South Asian TV promo content, in terms of unreliability. I see no qualifying sources in the article, and I agree with the nominator's source analysis. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I agree with the nom's source analysis. I would not object to draftofication as an outcome on the basis that it night 'earn' notability, but that presupposes editors' willingness to both wait for notability and to seek better sourcing 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  This article has been moved into mainspace twice, first by a sock and then by an editor who initially submitted at AfC but unwisely did not wait for review there. Experience would not suggest editors will be willing to wait. This page can be recreated once there is unambiguously solid sourcing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Adding: +https://thecurrent.pk/gen-z-romance-meets-social-justice-tan-man-neel-o-neel-stands-out (Jan. 8; bylined, significant)/ or (same website, yesterday): https://thecurrent.pk/of-tiktok-dreams-family-drama-and-secrets-tan-man-neel-o-neel-redefines-pakistani-television (not bylined).-Mushy Yank. 13:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.