Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traci Hunter Abramson

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) zzz (talk) 19:16, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional article created by paid editor, fails WP:AUTHOR. zzz (talk) 00:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Withdrawn by nominator zzz (talk) 19:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The Whitney awards prove that she is regarded as an important author by her peers. She has received significant coverage not only in the Deseret News, but also had an interview with Fredericksberg's newspaper, The Free Lance-Star.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The "awards" do not prove she is an "important author". See Whitney Awards- "a semi-independent non-profit organization affiliated with the LDStorymakers, a guild for LDS authors." And "Due to the limited number of titles released by LDS authors, several of the genre awards have been combined (such as romance and women's fiction)." Two LDS publications is not WP:SIGCOV for a novelist. zzz (talk) 14:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, the Free Lance-Star isn't an LDS publication. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's a regional daily in Virginia, where Abramson lives. This makes it a local source covering a hometown gal.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep article needs to be swept clean of unreliable sources, which I STRONGLY urge article creator @Rachel Helps (BYU): to return and do pronto. (just take out the non-notable web sites used as sources, Rachel) Nevertheless, 1.) this novelist sells large numbers of books. 2.) her novels get reviewed in a major big-city daily, Deseret News, presumably because she writes stories that appeal to Mormons and lots of Mormons live in Utah, 3.) Deseret is connected with the Mormon Church, but we don't dismiss book reviews of Catholic books that run in Catholic periodicals, 4.) Deseret ran a profile, that's 2 profiles in real newspapers. and 5.) it may not be the Booker Prize, but the Whitney Awards are real and count for something.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Just to be clear, Deseret is a major big city daily, and a WP:RS that covers LDS Saints news the way media in other markets cover evangelical preachers or struggles within the Catholic Church, i.e., their readers find it interesting. The fact that it does have some sort of connection with - not control by - LDS can in make coverage of Church policy or leadership a little too close to establish notability. I do see it as conferring notability in stuff like actors, writers, singers, books, or athletes. Just as a feature story in The Catholic Telegraph or the Canadian Jewish News would.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, E.M.Gregory. I have one remaining question: Should the lead section describe her as a "Latter Day Saints author", a "writer of LDS fiction", or simply an " American mystery and suspense novelist" as it does presently? zzz (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

zzz, I added that to the lede, and also added a sourced sentence to text, about her Mormon characters and fans. Pleasure working with you.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the blog references, but according to WP:SELFSOURCE, sources from the subject themselves are allowed for claims that are not exceptional. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:49, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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