Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical cyclones in 2018

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The result was keep. Tone 09:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical cyclones in 2018

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This article reeks of WP:SYNTH and at best marginally meets WP:GNG. While there are some worldwide metrics like global ACE, I don't see anything here that can't be covered in season articles for individual basins. Also, this is highly misleading as we do not use the Australian scale worldwide (thus making its use in the eastern Pacific and Atlantic, as well as the north Indian Ocean, pure original research), and the southern hemisphere season is not aligned with the northern hemisphere's. Jasper Deng (talk) 22:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This provides a global summary of the monthly and yearly activity throughout the world that would not have been available otherwise. Additionally, we are discussing what caused/prohibited tropical cyclone formation around the world and the effects of tropical cyclones in general. This page was also planned to be the place to have miscellaneous storms that we didn't know where to place otherwise. Also, we had a discussion back in July (for an article of another year) about the scale in WPTC and decided on the Australian scale. This was applied to all the tables as having several scales would be extremely confusing. If people really wanted to, the scale and intensity could be removed from the monthly tables and notes added for wind speeds stating whether they are 1, 3 or 10 minute. For the wind speeds, they were converted using this from the World Meterological Organization and a document from the NHC (I am searching for it). The southern hemisphere not being aligned with the northern is completely irrelevant. Yes they overlap, but that doesn't really matter. This article is about TCs in 2018. The only things relevant are the conditions, storms formed, deaths, damages, and effects from the beginning of 2018 until the end. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 22:48, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Article is being fixed... Please give me some time before making further arguments. Thanks, Figfires^{Send me a message!} 23:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Jasper Deng: The WP:SYNTH you mentioned was removed in a massive facelift last night. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 18:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This is an article that is worth investing time in developing, since it will eventually provide a global overview of the tropics for readers that are interested without having too browse through 7 different season articles to find out about stuff like how many deaths per year or ENSO which had an impact on all basins. Also I am a big fan of using the Australian scale within the article since it is a global scale that can be applied to storms in most of the basins without having to resort converting the windspeeds to 10-minutes or use completely unofficial data from the JTWC who do not even rate on the SSHWS. I also note that NOAA provides a tropical cyclone summuary each year within their state of the climate report and who knows maybe this article could be spinned out to cover some of the more global weather impacts such as the Indian Monsoon or an overview of the European Windstorm season.Jason Rees (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Jasper is right. Using the Australian scale is OR and thus why I am removing it from the page. There will simply be no scale used period. I found a solution for the timeline as well so it may stay. 10 minute winds will not be noted since 4 basins use it. 3 and 1 minute winds will get notes. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 23:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than removing scales altogether, why not simply use the appropriate scale for each basin (and link to the Tropical cyclone scales article for reference) in place of the Australian scale currently in use? For the record, I do think this article has its place and oppose the deletion. — Iune talk 23:48, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this has received significant news coverage. If it does not go here, it could go in WikiNews, but my guess is that Wikipedia has far more readers than WikiNews. Vorbee (talk) 07:37, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This article has been worked hard on, and people could benefit from this. We just need to fix it up. Derpdadoodle (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I created a VERY similar article last year and it was taken down. It is here now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:INFOWeather1/sandbox INFOWeather1 (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- We can have a look at recreating that article and making it a lot better once the future of this article is clearer. However, that was taken down after an AFD that you as the author and several others didnt partcipate in. I also note that it was 3 monthly rather than yearly, which makes more sense imo.Jason Rees (talk) 21:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think the information in the article in question is unnecessary, considering we already have the same information in the usual 2018 Pacific hurricane season, 2018 Atlantic hurricane season, 2018 Pacific typhoon season, ... etc. articles. Also, only Tropical cyclones in 2018 exists currently; I can only imagine how much time-consuming it will be to create and maintain Tropical cyclones in 2017, Tropical cyclones in 2016, etc. Something is not right (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Something is not right: As I mentioned earlier, this provides a global summary of TC activity and impacts worldwide that would not have been available otherwise. Additionally, the article is still being expanded and is far from finished. The plan for this article is go much more into detail about the conditions leading to tropical cyclone formation around the world than what we could have in seasonal articles. It is honestly inappropriate to kill a developing article that has no major issues. As for your argument about this being unnecessary simply because it doesn't exist for previous years wouldn't benefit wikipedia at all. New content is necessary to benefit wikipedia. Tornadoes and earthquakes have yearly articles, why can't TCs have one too? Figfires^{Send me a message!} 22:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply @something is not right if we took this down, then just take down all the other tropical cyclone pages, like tropical cyclones in 2010. plus, people could benefit as it shows worldwide damage and effects. DerpieDerpie :D 01:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Touche ... I didn't go that far down the list so I didn't see that there was a 2010 article. Are there any others? Something is not right (talk) 03:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Something is not right: Other than that, no. Yearly articles do exist for other natural disasters like earthquakes and tornadoes which are quite plentiful. This simply provides a global overview of when and where activity occurred. Also, as stated above, the article is far from being finished and will go more into detail about factors leading to TC formation and the global effects of TCs than what the season articles can. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 03:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expanded to highlight worldwide activity that can't be covered in season articles. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the only argument for deletion I see is that this is a WP:CFORK of the per-region articles. A similar page was kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical cyclones in 2010. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and treat as a parent article for all of the season articles. We have tornado activity by year, why not tropical cyclones? We should eventually be able to say (in a hypothetical article for Tropical cyclones by year) There have been X tropical cyclones on record, which collectively killed Y people and caused $Z trillion in damage. Having tropical cyclones by year is a good way to cross-reference with the season and individual storm articles. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:41, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies GNG. James500 (talk) 03:38, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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