Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UNDP Beijing Express Declaration

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to World Conference on Women, 1995#Preceding the Fourth World Conference on Women, Beijing, 1995. The two "keep" opinions don't make much of an argument for keeping and so are given less weight. Rough consensus is therefore that the document is not notable independent of the conference it was produced for. Content can be merged from history if desired. Sandstein 07:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UNDP Beijing Express Declaration

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A very very odd bird this orphaned article is. It mostly consists of the text of what apparently is some declaration by a UN working group. That causes it to ping highly in copyvio to a 2020 blog post by Lesley Abdela, who was involved in its development. The text doesn't seem to exist anywhere on the UN site, though there are some references to it. And there are very few mentions of the declaration in reliable sources. Speedy declined in 2010 when the article was created. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Politics. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've made improvements to the article after some online searches. I think it's in much better shape now, basically 100% rewritten. CT55555(talk) 21:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Lesley Abdela. Delete There does not appear to be WP:GNG support for a standalone article, but there is a source she authored, available on EBSCO with several grafs about the train and the declaration (Abdela, Lesley. 2016. “A ‘Boots-on-the-Ground’ Perspective: Fighting for Gender Balance and Gender Justice.” Britain & the World 9 (1): 116–31. doi:10.3366/brw.2016.0217) and three grafs of Irish Times coverage, but this declaration appears to be a contribution to the Conference (UN.org) that produced the Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action, and there does not appear to be secondary coverage of the context or significance to help support a merge to that article at this time. Beccaynr (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2023 (UTC) - !vote updated - the potential for a brief mention in the Lesley Abdela article based on the two sources identified in this discussion does not support a merge. Beccaynr (talk) 11:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would a merge to World Conference on Women, 1995 not make more sense? CT55555(talk) 00:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry I was not more clear with my wikilinks - I don't think there is secondary coverage of the context or significance to support a merge to that article at this time. A merge to that article was my initial thought, but there does not seems to be a WP:DUE place to add it without sources describing how this declaration impacted the Conference and/or the Beijing Declaration that was produced there. Beccaynr (talk) 00:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, I had not even seen Beijing Declaration now I'm less clear about things, specifically how much the Beijing Declaration is refined version of UNDP Beijing Express Declaration. It doesn't help that Beijing Declaration is so badly cited. CT55555(talk) 00:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a discussion of these conferences generally (including the Fourth World Conference on Women) at pp. 212-213 in International Human Rights in Context (Oxford University Press, 2008), more about the conference in the preview at p. 12 in A Short History of the Commission on the Status of Women (UN Women), and no preview available for Reality Check: Women in Canada and the Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action Fifteen Years On, a Canadian Civil Society Response (Canadian Labour Congress, 2010). The first two sources seem to speak to the breadth of participation involved in the Beijing Declaration. Beccaynr (talk) 00:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
International Women’s Rights Law and Gender Equality: Making the Law Work for Women (Taylor & Francis, 2021) describes an "unprecedented" 17,000 participants and 30,000 activists producing the Beijing Declaration, and there appears to be no mention of the Beijing Express group. Beccaynr (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Arbela piece is not independent. At the very least a declaration needs signatories...who were they? 25 Eastern Europeans subsidised by the FCO to travel to Beijing....out of "17,000 participants and 30,000 activists". To me appears little more than a working document produced on a train...what happens a thousandfold before every UN conference (notwithstanding the trans-Siberian rail trip aspect...interesting but not notable). There's simply no depth of content available, no assessment of influence, independent discussion of impact on the elaboration of the Beijing Declaration, or demonstration of any long term significance. The sources simply establish the document's existence, but nothing else. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 00:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the conference. This is a few lines about a pre-conference document, with no explanation as to what it is or why it's more notable than the conference was. Not fussed if we !delete it either. Oaktree b (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I think the article uses reliable sources, at the same time, it needs improvement to be a stronger article than just being a sub.Historyday01 (talk) 04:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's three sources; two are not independent and the third simply contains three paragraphs describing the text. I've searched myself and found nothing further. There's no independent sourcing that establishes the significance of the document (rather than its existence) nor its effect on the Conference and the elaborabtion of the Beijing Declaration; unfortunately, I do not see that the article can be made stronger because the subject's notability cannot be establised. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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