Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uday Narkar

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The result was delete‎. The detailed source analysis supporting the "delete" majority view has remained unrebutted. Sandstein 08:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Uday Narkar

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Fails the notability test for politicians, and of course WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. A cursory search doesn't bring up anything useful. Also, peoplesdemocracy.in would be very much unreliable in this context, because it is not independent of the subject and would hardly be unbiased. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and India. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Authors, Theatre, and Maharashtra. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : Without resorting to WP:OTHERSTUFF, I will like to draw attention to the amount of blue-links at Template:Democratic_State_Chairs. State chairs in Democratic Party are generally less important than state secretaries/presidents in Indian political party like CPIM which is one of the only six national parties. State presidents/secretaries are highest position in state unit of a party.

Multiple reliable media have covered Uday Narkar. What this article needs is improvement, not deletion. Besides People's Democracy is indeed a reliable sources for this because the citation covers just the event of state conference and election of Uday Narkar as state secretary. Besides he is also the member of Central Committee of CPIM. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently 16 citations are there (many Wikipedia articles only have 1-3 citations). More can be added with the passing of time. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I was on the fence about this person, but the new trivia, unreliable sources and unencyclopedic content added by XYZ demonstrates that the topic is not notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:@Ssilvers Can you suggest some improvements? I think discussions are not for deletion only, improvements of Wikipedia are main motive. Which are the sources you think unreliable? Besides can you please the reason for which you were on the fence first? XYZ 250706 (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did suggest some improvements, which you undid. For example, Wikipedia articles do not include titles like "Dr." in the first sentence of the lead. Later in the article, you can say where the person earned a doctorate, if you have a WP:Reliable Source. Any fact that is not cited to a WP:Reliable source should be removed per WP:BLP. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers Here is one of the citations. (https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-assembly-polls-cpim-12-seats-uday-narkar-interview-9597342/lite/) XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Besides this article contains many inline citations. Please make your valuable contributions such that this article can stay in Wikipedia. XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : Now the article is filled with inline citations and passes WP:GNG. XYZ 250706 (talk) 16:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have assessed the sixteen citations. The intention was to demonstrate notability - it demonstrated the reverse.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC) updated 22:15.[reply]
Comment : The Lokmat Times citation also adds a view of Uday Narkar regarding organising the march. : Keeping in mind the concerns arising out of the high temperatures, the organisers have made suitable arrangements for drinking water, shade, walking only in the morning and evening hours, etc, Narkar said.. Besides the citation on RTI activists adds his views on the matter and also indicates that he is RTI activist. Besides Daylight murder of democracy citation mostly adds his views only unlike the citation just before it where a press statement is released. I think the fact that he is a Central Committee member of CPIM is to be derived from the list of the Central Committee members only because how separate lines/paragraph on each member is possible. XYZ 250706 (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Toddy1@Ssilvers The motive of this discussion is improvement of Wikipedia. You all are requested to make your valuable contributions so that this article can pass GNG and stay undeleted. Besides one cannot deny that multiple reliable sources have mentioned and covered Uday Narkar and all the information I have derived is from those source only. XYZ 250706 (talk) 02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@XYZ 250706 Please, do not remove or edit Toddy1's source assessment. Do your own source assessment without removing or replacing Toddy1's own. I just reverted your edit again as you've done it twice. Also, please read WP:BLUD, the more often you express the same ideas in a discussion, the less persuasive you become. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanderwaalforces I am not removing anything. I just added my own. Yes at first I misunderstood and thought that I have to edit the table. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Significant coverage" means that the source tells the reader a lot about Uday Narkar (who is the subject of the Wikipedia article). See WP:SIGCOV.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Any citation covering the subject doesn't necessarily add a biography (detailed information) of the subject. His contribution to or views on the event are enough for significant coverage as "Significant coverage" addresses a topic of the subject directly and in detail, not the whole subject. For significant coverage, the subject does not need to be the main topic of the source material. In this article, sources/citations are added in such way each citation addresses a particular information on this subject directly and in detail. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Besides no original research is done here. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : Here is the assessment table based on current citations. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Toddy1's analysis is more or less correct - though I don't believe that the Partial assessments are usable towards judging GNG even on a WP:NPOINTS basis as WP:NOTINHERITED applies (could be used as limited cites if GNG were established, however). WP:PASSING mentions of appointments are clearly not significant coverage of the subject, and nor are statements recorded where the speaker is acting as a representative. Note that even independent recorded opinions of someone are not enough to establish notability at AFD and significant coverage OF the subject is needed. XYZ 250706's analysis is incorrect. A WP:REFBOMB does not notability make, but assessing only their four "Yes" entries shows they fall far short of WP:THREE in demonstrating sigcov. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 07:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : We should also think of other alternatives rather than deletion although this article is much more well cited than many articles staying in Wikipedia. I have already mentioned Template:Democratic_State_Chairs. XYZ 250706 (talk) 07:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't bring the WP:WHATABOUTX argument here. If other State Chair articles are not well-cited, then nominate them for deletion. That doesn't mean we need to keep this article. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if, hypothetically, State Chairs of large parties did have some presumed notability, the CPIM currently holds a total of two seats in the Tamil Nadu assembly. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hydronium Hydroxide Yes and two Lok Sabha MPs are from Tamil Nadu also. It is a national party as per election results criteria of ECI. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage of the topic is needed according to Wikipedia. Wikipedia nowhere mentions each citation should have significant coverage on the topic. I think all sources (Wikipedia mentions plural form) should together have significant coverage. So overall significant coverage is enough. XYZ 250706 (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I reviewed the entries in the source assessment table that are listed as counting toward GNG, and they are all utterly trivial - most of them have nothing at all to say about Narkar besides the fact that he was a leader of the CPI (M) in the state. Indeed I'm not seeing anything else biographical that can be sourced from independent reliable sources: as such this is a long way from meeting WP:GNG. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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