Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Undermountain (2nd nomination)

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The result was merge to Waterdeep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 02:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This fails to establish notability. AfD from a decade ago turned into a dogpile "It's important." No real sources have been added since. There seem to be at least two supplemental books (Undermountain: Maddgoth's Castle and Undermountain: The Lost Level) that should be able to discuss the entire context of the fictional location in the wider context they provide. TTN (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete insufficient RS to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV Chetsford (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The nomination seems to paraphrase as, "It passed AfD once. Since then, here are two additional sources specifically about it, and each of those sources is itself notable." Andy Dingley (talk) 23:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Only if you want to disingenuously claim that material can source itself to establish notability. TTN (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• https://in.ign.com/neverwinter/137082/news/playable-gith-coming-to-dungeons-dragons-mmorpg-neverwinter and https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/07/09/the-next-neverwinter-module-uprising-will-arrive-on-pc-august-13th/ talk about the expansion for the game Neverwinter. Back when it was just a role playing game, pen and paper days, did it get any reviews? Perhaps just redirect it to the current game at Neverwinter (video game). Dream Focus 00:07, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• If we decide on a redirect, I think The Ruins of Undermountain might be the better target, as it was the first product to focus on the location.Rorshacma (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the nom. mentions two related pages. There is at least one more: The Ruins of Undermountain (as mentioned above). Not ready to make a determination on this one yet as I want to look at notability more closely, but it seems that a merge, at least, is called for. Previous AfD mentioned merging but seems to have forgotten about it. Also I don't quite understand the keep comment (apologies). What is the keep reason being asserted here? -- Sirfurboy (talk) 12:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Waterdeep. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Waterdeep, as Undermountain is closely related to Waterdeep, and there is sourced content in this article which could be merged. Not a very active user (talk) 06:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge to Waterdeep per above comments since there are WP:RS to retain, per WP:PRESERVE and WP:ATD. BOZ (talk) 23:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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