Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vallanattu Nagarathar Chettiar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vallanattu Nagarathar Chettiar

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Article was deleted via PROD on 3 July 2014 due to long-term lack of sourcing and vagueness. Someone has just recreated it but it is still an unsourced mess. The publications mentioned will be unreliable histories written by members of the community - we never use them because caste puffery etc is so common as to make the genre unreliable. Sitush (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update - I have added references section and wikfied the article but still it lacks references. CutestPenguin ^discuss

Update - I have added references section and given more info about the caste detail from tamil nadu govenment web sites User:ram_arang

You have verified that a group bearing the name is recognised as existing by the government of Tamil Nadu. That is not sufficient to meet WP:GNG, which requires that there is discussion/coverage of the group. To give an analogy, if we accepted that mere existence satisfied our notability criteria then every street named in the government's directories would get an article here. - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update - Greetings Sitush, Thanks for accepting the inputs, Shortly will add the pictures of the community center at Tiruvaramkulam and few organisation inputs in the portal , with the coverage of the people and thier culture and few refference to be added. Pls. give us some time for the same to be done User:ram_arang — Preceding undated comment added 10:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Needs some TLC which is what everyone's giving it right now!, I personally see no point in deleting now that hard efforts gone into sourcing and improving the article.. –Davey2010 • (talk) 05:40, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are still no sources present that discuss the community, merely lists that mention it as existing. That is insufficient for WP:GNG and we routinely delete articles about Indian communities that have similar failings. Deletion is without prejudice regarding recreation, if ever any decent sources emerge. One has to bear in mind that Indian communities frequently redefine themselves in a process of both fission and fusion, jostling for socio-economic position and political purpose. That is why only a 1000 or so were recorded in the early 1900s but there are now in excess of 4000. We don't have articles on every pressure group or special interest group that has ever existed and we shouldn't have them for every alleged Indian community. - Sitush (talk) 10:32, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.