Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Plucknett

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The result was no consensus. Cavarrone 08:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria Plucknett

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Non notable actress, Has been unsourced since 2010, Found 2 sources, One isn't a reliable source and the other is BBC source[1] however it's only a mention (I don't have an issue with adding these sorts of mentions to articles however in this case the article cannot rely on a one-line mention), Fails NACTOR & GNG –Davey2010^Talk 02:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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delete as it stands, as unsourced BLP - I'm finding a lot of passing mentions of her, particularly on a books search, and I think she's likely a plausible article topic readers would in fact look up ... but I haven't found a thing about her that would let us write a BLP. I would be most pleased to be able to change my mind on this one - e.g. I can't read the Welsh sources, but if they're meatier they'd be great. cy:Victoria_Plucknett is unfortunately sourced only to IMDB - David Gerard (talk) 12:19, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A fair few hits in google books yup David, I will try to improve this tomorrow. She's a notable face in Wales, I recognize her!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:38, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dr. Blofeld, Ofcourse if you are able to turn the article around I'd be more than happy to withdraw, I would withdraw now however I don't want to withdraw and then find out you can't find anything (It's happened before unfortunately), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 18:26, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be a case of Martin Miller syndrome, where few sources really have many details, but she is credited and becomes notable on weight of the works she was in. Notable actress, but difficult to write. We shouldn't have any unsourced BLPs though in 2016.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:28, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. She should be notable and I'd like us to have an article, but we do in fact need sources other than just a list of what she's been in. Surely somewhere in the last 20 years has run a profile ... - David Gerard (talk) 00:07, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I remember her from DoDS, must be sources somewhere Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:35, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- If you can find them, you'll be doing better than me ... - David Gerard (talk) 09:43, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I remember watching the goddamn show - she had a major role. Am surprised there isn't something more...found ~~one~~ two measly refs so far. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:01, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - I genuinely do appreciate your help in trying to find and adding sources however the sources are extremely poor, As this actress has been in this industry for around 31-41 years there should be better sources than this (Ofcourse there may well be sources offline however that's simply a wild guess), Anyway she still fails GNG, I don't mean this in a funny way nor am I trying to start an arguement but being on a show doesn't automatically make someone notable either, Thanks for your efforts tho they are appreciated. –Davey2010^Talk 23:52, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think she's actually plausibly notable, and people know her name and might reasonably look her up ... but we have no sources suitable for a BLP - David Gerard (talk) 12:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Regretably, there does not appear to be any scholarly sources (biography, interview primarily about her, etc) readily available. It is presumable that because the actress has been on multiple programs there's a record of an interview, but because we're online we don't have as good access to offline sources. No objections to recreating if/when sources that can verify the actress' notability, but until then with almost 10 years of effort on this article, I'm starting to doubt the existance of the sources. Hasteur (talk) 13:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it stands Unfortunately I am unable to find any sources beyond simple listings. There is literally nothing which actually discusses the subject itself and I have to regrettably put a delete here per WHYN. Nothing much in any books either nor in any of the newspaper archives I have access to. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:06, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found a number of sources on HighBeam that confirm her roles in 2 soaps. I added to the article. I'll try to add more later. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- We have sources to confirm the fact of her being in the soaps. What we need is RSes that say anything actually about her ... - David Gerard (talk) 20:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Wouldn't she pass NACTOR if she has enough significant roles? Or are only the soaps being counted towards NACTOR? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Likely, but we still have literally have no information actually about her except that she's from Wales, and not even that's sourced to an RS. we have zero sources about the putative subject of the article - David Gerard (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - Does anyone know anybody who speaks Welsh? Some of the articles seem to be in that language. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        I watched her in the Duchess of Duke St when I was a kid - she was one of the main characters in it. I might have an idea where I can find an offline source. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is notable, but needs some work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. main character in an important series. Since that shows her notable , there's no need for additional bio to keep the article. DGG ( talk ) 01:30, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

She may of been on an important show but regardless the sourcing is unfortunately still very poor and as I said above this BLP's been acting for 30 odd years (and has been in for the past 17 years) yet there's nothing source-wise (I honestly mean that in a nice way), If sources can be found that are of the actual BLP then I'd happily withdrawn but unfortunately there's no notability source-wise. –Davey2010^Talk 23:37, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 22:58, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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