Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WRENN

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Whether the name is used by one artist or two, consensus is that neither is notable. MelanieN (talk) 00:23, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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As it stands, this looks like a WP:TOOSOON case that's pretty clear-cut. I'm sympathetic to indie type artists trying to break through, but the only notable thing done by this musician so far appears to be a collaboration with an American DJ, appearing on a certain EP. That's about it. A bit of searching generates tangential commentary from blogs and the like, nothing appearing to pass WP:GNG standards. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Agree with CoffeeWithMarkets. Per WP:BAND, an artist needs to have at least one song (as a lead artist) in any of the national charts. The only article that talks extensively about the singer is the Fader one which is fine. However, one source is not adequate to satisfy WP:GNG, as mentioned above. Also, for a direct example - Olvia O'Brien, who collaborated with the said DJ (Gnash), and with same credentials as this singer, does not have a Wikipedia page. Association with a notable person does not evince notability. It is too soon for the singer to have a Wikipedia page. Maybe after she releases here EP and more establishments talk about her, then we can think about it. Check Moxie Raia for reference. Hence, delete. Best, Nairspecht Converse 09:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - While I agree with CoffeeWithMarkets that this is a pretty clear cut case of WP:TOOSOON, upon further investigation I found that there is another musical artist going by the same name. Even more so, it appears this other artist changed their name to "Wrenn" after the song "Fragile ft. Wrenn" was released. Normally I would vote a page like this for delation, yet seeing that there is public confusion as to who the artist on "Fragile" is, I vote to keep. It serves it's purpose, which is to clear up any confusion about the authenticity of this musician. : V.Putnam (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)— V.Putnam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

While I understand your concerns, that would still leave us with a page that's fundamentally flawed due to the massive lack of sourcing about Wrenn, the "Fragile"-related performer, and would seem to have very little reliable information. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This is a case I have not seen many times. Despite the fact CoffeeWithMarkets has stated what I believe to be a clear case of WP:TOOSOON, I have to agree with V.Putnam. Seeing as there is another individual going by the same name, and seemingly attempting to take credit of the creation of multiple works belonging to this musician, it is in best interest to keep this article up strictly for the clarification for the community. For this reason, keep. That being said, I do not believe any more information about the artist should be added until more notable works come into play. Cheers, VikramRaphii (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)— VikramRaphii (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• How does that prove notability. Also, your account is new so I don't understand why you said "This is a case I have not seen many times". --Lemongirl942 (talk) 00:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - does not meet WP:MUSIC or WP:GNG at this point. --bonadea contributions talk 21:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as by far containing nothing for the needed independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I find the arguments made by V.Putnam convincing. This looks like a useful place to invoke WP:IAR. A strict reading of our rules would state that we have to delete this article... and yet, our encyclopedia would become demonstrably weaker and less useful without this article-- not simply for lacking the information contained within the article, but in another article that is definitely worthy of inclusion. I call for us to acknowledge that this does not meet our notability standards, and yet we need to keep it anyway for necessary disambiguation. That is, unless someone has a better idea on how to clearly disambiguate? Fieari (talk) 06:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sorry, I didn't under stand the logic given by V.Putnam. I would at least like to see proof that another musician with the same name is attempting to take credit. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I have not written for Wikipedia before, and truthfully am not familiar with what the policies are, but I am familiar with this artist and the other musician who has tried to take credit for her work since the feature with Gnash. The other individual was a woman who went by the stage name "WrenPop", until "Fragile ft. Wrenn" was released. "WrenPop" then changed her name to "Wrenn" on all social platforms. A simple search of the name "WRENN" will prove this. The "Wrenn" that was featured on "Fragile" then stylized her name to "WRENN" so it wouldn't be as difficult to tell the difference, yet the following day "WrenPop" changed the stylization of her name to "WRENN" as well. As of two days ago, "WrenPop" also changed her profile photo on Spotify and Twitter to an image of the "WRENN" who was featured on "Fragile". I know this must be incredibly confusing, and I don't know how to go about this, but from someone who has seen, and been personally confused, by this blatant copying; I too believe this article should stay, at least until the other individual stops copying the "WRENN" for which this page is about. 76.91.50.9 (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2016 (UTC) — 76.91.50.9 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Are there any reliable sources discussing this? The information presented here amounts to original research which can't be included in the article, and it would not be appropriate to save the article in order to somehow strengthen the artist's claims to the name - that is not what Wikipedia is for, as Lemongirl points out below. --bonadea contributions talk 17:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep per V.Putnam and Fieari above - a strange case where the subject currently seems to fall short of WP:NMUSIC in terms of having their own article, and yet the confusion between the two WRENNs over "Fragile" seems in itself notable. Perhaps the Fragile article could include a section on the controversy, whereupon this one could be deleted as WP:TOOSOON ? ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 10:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Sorry to say this, but Wikipedia is not a place to solve disputes. None of the artists named "WRENN" are notable. The dispute over the names is not notable either - it has not been reported in any secondary sources and Wikipedia shouldn't do it either. (Please note that Wikipedia is not supposed to be used as an advocacy forum). The dispute over the names should be fought on an alternate platforms - not on Wikipedia. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closing admin: 3 SPAs have come and !voted keep. This is a clear case where contrary to policy, Wikipedia is being used for the promotion of a non-notable artist. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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