Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We Got Next

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Xtreme (group)#Discography. The only objection to keeping the redirect seems to be that there would be a circular redirect. Those are generally removed if an AfD is closed as redirect. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We Got Next

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Article does not meet WP:NALBUMS. Although the draft was declined five times, the author moved it to articlespace anyway. GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is a reason it was declined 5 times at AfC - No indication it meets WP:NALBUM KylieTastic (talk) 19:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I was one of the five who declined this originally. Doesn't meet WP:NALBUM plain and simple. -CNMall41 (talk) 07:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Draftify - I understand the situation about the article. But you must understand that this article is something that bachata fans, Xtreme fans, and latin music fans would love to read about. I've done everything I could to prove that this article is accurate and that the album "We Got Next". This album does exist I think it should stay on Wikipedia. If anything, there will be other people to help out add more to the article. the situation is that when the bachata group Xtreme started in 2003, they were underground and weren't really with a record label. They were with a independent label called 2 Strong Music, but they didn't have the main stream publicity to help the group. They still worked with them after they were signed to a record label but for the most part the founder was seen as more than a manager than a record label owner. In 2005, Xtreme had finally signed with a record label named SGZ Entertainment. A label founded by Sergio George. There 2005 album titled Xtreme just like the name of the group. This was considered to be their debut album. So We Got Next was kind of forgotten. Only three their tracks, "Honey, I Do" and the bachata and R&B versions of Te Extraño. The other seven tracks were never mentioned again. I have listened this album before. I am a huge bachata fan to the point I search about bachata artists' discography (list of albums). I recently made an article on bachata group Aventura's 1995 album Trampa De Amor. Back then they were know as Los Tinellers. This album had the same situation but it actually had articles that backed up the article and it was able to be approved and become an official wiki article. The reason this was possible was because Aventura are world known icons of music. So their history has been in articles and mini documentaries in which Trampa De Amor has been mentioned. It was also an album that was kind of forgotten but yet 7 of it's 10 songs were re-made for other albums. So I was able to get that album approved, the "We Got Next" should also stay as well. I'm sorry that turned it in to an article when it was still a draft, but I got tired of waiting for it to be approved. If I knew this situation would have happened, I would have still left it as a draft until I was able to truly make if acceptable for wikipedia's poicies. But please let the article stay and anyone else who reviews it please support it and don't ask for a deletion. And also if anyone reading this can find articles or links that can make this article worthy of being on wiki, I would be very grateful about it. If it is decided that the article should be deleted, then just leave it as a draft so I can more improvements to it until I can finally make it comply WP:NALBUM. I have put in a lot of work in it already so please don't delete it. Just put it as a draft again. If y'all want, I put it has a draft right now if y'all agree. And as for David notMD, I do not see anything obscure about the information I put in. It may look it fits better in the groups bio page instead of the album page, but I had to give that info so people could understand about the album's situation and also know why there is really not a lot to say about it. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) 00:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC) DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk)[reply]
  • Delete - To the previous voter, what matters is the specific requirements of notability at WP:NALBUM, and this particular album does not meet a single one of them. That's because of the lack of information already admitted by that voter and admitted in the article. I'm sure that bachata fans would love to know about this album, but that should be done somewhere other than Wikipedia. See also WP:PROMOTION and WP:ILIKEIT. Wikipedia is for items that qualify as encyclopedic. The fact that the group released an early album that remains unknown can be described (very briefly) at their article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've seen articles that barely have anything to say on wiki and it has been kept. I have done everything to make this article as accurate to what it says as possible. A lot of album are put on wiki. I mean is an music album info even count as encyclopedic. The album "We Got Next" was on Xtreme's discography list on their wiki artist page. I had recently crated an article about Aventura's 1995 album Trampa De Amor. That album had a similar situation, but I was able to turn it into an article after it was rejected a few times. It was made official by a wiki user who approved it. I did everything to make sure the evidence is accurate. I put references and external links proving my claim. The only reason I wrote what I wrote was to give people an explanation about the album's situations so I could be specific about why it didn't have a lot of recognition. Wikipedia is known for wrong information anyways. My college professors never recommended any of their students to use it because it is an open source where people can write what ever they want on this website. My article is much more accurate than alot of things written on wiki every day. So please tell me what is it that I'm missing so I can fix the problem and make it stay. The only thing I'm reading is deletion but no better solution to how I can make it follow WP:NALBUM, WP:PROMOTION, and WP:ILIKEIT. I really want this article to stay. I'll put it back as a draft and keep it that way until I can make it acceptable for Wikipedia. I wonder if y'all even look at the references and external links before voting. Y'all should have more consideration about this article and either help me out or vote for it to be a draft again so I can put in the time to fix it. If anything, other people will see this and probably even add more to it that may actual work better and fit the wiki policies. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) 00:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC) DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk)[reply]
  • Redirect to Xtreme (group): Barely found anything about the album. Easily fails WP:NALBUM. It's best to turn it as a redirect. My vote stands. ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have decided to move it back to the draft. If y'all choose to let me keep it as a draft, I will do everything I can to finally find the correct resources to finally make this article fit the qualifications for a wiki article about an album. I hope that when the final decision comes, I hope it is to move it back as a draft. As for some of the info I added to the album, I will either remove it or added it to the group's bio page since it does fit the the Xtreme's artist page. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • DominicanWikiEdit1996, you have voted thrice in this AfD to draftify it. Users vote on certain AfDs only once. ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 07:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • My apologies Superastig, I didn't know I had voted 3 times. I still new to this deletion voting thing. I thought that's how someone responds back. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk)
          • DominicanWikiEdit1996, that's OK. I suggest you read WP:DISCUSSAFD so you'll have an idea on how to properly contribute on future AfDs. We have out own votes and reasoning. And it's best if you respect them than to argue with us about it. And always remember. Once a consensus is made to keep, redirect or delete the article, it should be respected. ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 10:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • Superastig, I do respect the opinions and votes of others, I was just trying to defend the article. What ever final decision is made, I'll accept it. If it's deleted, I'll just try harder in to finding articles that can qualify with wiki. But that is if I can, other wise I won't make the article until the near future if Xtreme ever makes mention of it or a history about the album is written on a news or articles website. I do hope that this article can be sent back as a draft per now so I can try improve it. And if I still can't not able to, I'll delete it myself. It'll be a shame that the only album from Xtreme's discography doesn't have it's own wiki page, but it is what it is. I hope I do hear back from the other wiki users GoingBatty, David notMD, CNMall41, and doomsdayer520 who have all voted on this to read their response about what I have responded back to them. If I knew this situation was going to happen, I would have never put it in the article section and left it as a draft. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk)
  • Comment: Again, a need to learn more about AfD. The article creator does not have the ability to delete the article. And drafts are not forever - if no progress is made on a draft, the creator is notified at about six months that the draft will be deleted if no progress. Personally, I see no benefit in draftifying this, as in my opinion the best place for a concise mention is in the article about the group. David notMD (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • To the Wiki Voters - I have decided that it should just get deleted already because I can't find articles from independent sources that can help me make this album article eligible for Wikipedia. Also, making it a redirect is not the best idea. The link is in the discography section of the group's bio page. So to click on that link just so it directs you back to the group's article where the link is in the first place, makes no sense to me or to anybody. That's why at this point it's just for the best it gets deleted I'm not really voting, I'm just at this point wishing I would have agreed with this in the beginning. When there's finally Independent sources talking specifically about the album, I will make it again and I know this time it will be approved. But for now, It should be deleted. As for some of the information of this article I will put it on the group website since it does have talk about there beggingings and that I can back it up with independent sources. Unfortunately I can't delete it my self. So to every person who voted, thank you. At least I have an article that was approved. Trampa De Amor from Aventura when they were once called Los Tinellers (The word teenagers spelled with Spanish letters and pronunciation for the Hispanic that can't speak english). This article was also rejected a few times until I found sources that help it get approved. Now, it is an official article of Wikipedia. I don't know if anyone here is Hispanic of have heard Hispanic music at least, but I would everyone to read about it. The only reason this album was able to stay in Wikipedia compared to we got next was because the group Aventura or more famous so there's obviously more people searching about their history more then the group Xtreme. Trampa De Amor was and album that never got recognized as there first album because it was made in 1995 and their official debut was in 1999 when they had already changed there name and had a new start as Aventura. But in there case, that album has been documented so people are aware of it. So that's why it was much easier for the album to become an official wiki article. I didn't move it to article myself, it was approved by a wiki reviewer. Anyways, to GoingBatty, David notMD, CNMall41, and doomsdayer520 I thank you all for voting and to who ever is incharge of deleting it, do what you must. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk)
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