Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/X.Org Foundation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 21:41, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

X.Org Foundation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

I'm convinced that this fails WP:NCORP, but maybe I'm missing something. wumbolo ^^^ 10:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:08, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:08, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• comment from creator welcome to Wikipedia 2004! Not very well cited for notability by 2018 standards, is it ... I'd suggest a merge/redirect to X Window System#The_X.Org_Foundation - i.e., do the redirect and merge whatever's useful and not primary - David Gerard (talk) 11:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• keep , was merge into X.Org Server and X Window System#The X.Org_Foundation. No need for separate articles on an organization primarily known for one thing. PaleAqua (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Note that the X.Org Foundation is not only about the X Window System, and certainly is not THE "X Window System" organization (that would be the X Consortium).— Preceding unsigned comment added by JavierCantero (talk • contribs) 10:35, 2018 September 13 (UTC)

  X Consortium was the original group, X.Org took over their mandate with the forking "back" from xfree86. That said Wayland is also notable, switching to keep. PaleAqua (talk) 18:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: "X.Org Foundation's (or X.Org for short) purpose is to research, develop, support, organize, administrate, standardize, promote, and defend a free and open accelerated graphics stack and the developers and users thereof. This stack includes, but is not limited to, the following projects: DRM, Mesa, Wayland and the X Window System." That means the following software packages: Direct Rendering Manager, Direct Rendering Infrastructure, Mesa (computer graphics), Wayland (display server protocol), libinput, Xlib, XCB, X.Org Server and more. The foundation is an umbrella organization for all these key free software projects. Because some organization is a non-profit and not a business, doesn't mean that it's irrelevant. We are talking about millions of lines of code here, and millions of users, more than many software business around the world that you wouldn't dare to try to delete their Wikipedia pages. --JavierCantero (talk) 10:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Many organizations, for-profit and non-profit, have millions of users but don't have a Wikipedia article because they fail WP:NCORP. wumbolo ^^^ 10:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  I think we do need the sources. That said, there were a few around the time as I recall ... more recent news is that X.Org lost its nonprofit status for not getting its paperwork in [1], and was considering affiliating with SPI [2] - David Gerard (talk) 13:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  I think that journalists covering some event and being payed for it [3] falls under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. wumbolo ^^^ 14:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Note independent sources such as Ars Technica have covered the software, fork, etc. Some examples: [4], [5], [6]. And this doesn't include indirect mentions such as [7], [8] and [9]. PaleAqua (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  So what if they covered the software or fork? That doesn't make the corporation notable. wumbolo ^^^ 19:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – while the article needs some improvement, the organization definitely meets WP:ORG. Bradv 23:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep sourcing is poor, there's RS such as [10] meeting NORG. Widefox; talk 15:50, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  That article is completely WP:CRYSTAL. wumbolo ^^^ 16:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  No, an article based on claims from it might be - David Gerard (talk) 19:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, and to address the nom, "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies". You may want to see WP:BLUDGEON for all these AfDs too. Widefox; talk 22:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per above. A merge is not necessary, although I'm not opposed to it either. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.