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Oppose speedy - needs full discussion. Woko Sapien (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose speedy needs full discussion. Woko Sapien (talk) 09:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed requests

  • Category:Female impersonators in Peking opera to Category:Male dan player in Peking opera – C2A: Male performers of female roles in Peking opera should be referred to as “male dan”. [See Wiki article "Dan Role"] The expression “female impersonator” is a misleading connotation of Western drag artiste, a parody of femininity. [Source: Li, Ruru (1 May 2010). The Soul of Beijing Opera: Theatrical Creativity and Continuity in the Changing World. Hong Kong University Press. ISBN 9789622099944. page 83.] TheIntrospectorsfacts (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On hold pending other discussion

This may be eligible for speedy per C2C, but since there is a current RM for the article, there's a good chance this should end up being Category:KAJ (group) songs. So I oppose per C2D as there is "ongoing discussion about the name of the page". Best to wait out the discussion. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to full discussion

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May 5

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Secondary school honor society founders

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. underpopulated category SMasonGarrison 04:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]



May 4

Category:Named on Saudi Arabia's list of most wanted suspected terrorists

Nominator's rationale: This is my first attempt at a rename; I'd love for a better suggestion. This category name is lacking a noun. FWIW, the page name is Saudi list of most-wanted suspected terrorists. SMasonGarrison 21:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rhodesian neurosurgeons

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one person in it. SMasonGarrison 21:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Global events

Nominator's rationale: delete, "event" is not a defining characteristic of these articles and subcategories. The category contains a hodgepodge of the past, the content is completely unrelated to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Army chiefs of staff

Nominator's rationale: "US Army chiefs of staff" is subject to misinterpretation as meaning anyone who has been a chief of staff; this category is for persons who have served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. The proposed category aligns with the name of the main article of the category. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of the Malian Air Force

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge redundant category SMasonGarrison 16:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Malian military aviation

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge redundant category SMasonGarrison 16:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Latvian Muay Thai practitioners

Nominator's rationale: Upmwerge for now. This category is underpopulated SMasonGarrison 16:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Denmark

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Underpopulated category. @Ikamborden:, Please populate the categories you create. SMasonGarrison 16:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deaths by Israeli drone strikes during the Israel–Hamas war

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category. Deaths by Israeli drone strikes doesn't have sufficient content to justify diffusion by conflict, Furthermore, there are only two pages in here, one of which is a redirect. SMasonGarrison 16:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Church-Mosques

Nominator's rationale: Category for just two things, on a characteristic that's already accounted for by other categories as it is. The two entries here are both buildings that started out as Christian churches but were later converted into Islamic mosques as their locations became Ottomanized -- but we already have Category:Mosques converted from churches to cover that fact off, and both of the articles in here are already in appropriate subcategories of that, so this isn't adding anything that other categories haven't already taken care of. If anything, it's really just a WP:SHAREDNAME category that's here solely because both articles have the "Church-Mosque" compound in their titles. Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mosques completed in 1375

Nominator's rationale: Categories recently created for just one or two mosques each, in a tree without any other by-year siblings for their eras. These are two of the only three categories in Category:Mosques by year of completion that exist for any year prior to the 20th century, and the third has already been listed for a separate discussion below -- and in both cases, the decade target is not large enough to be comprehensively subbed out by individual year either (in the case of 1375, further, the two pages were both left duplicate categorized in the decade category alongside the year-specific category.)
As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories of just one or two things across the board -- the decade level is entirely sufficient here, and a year-specific level is not needed, if there are just one or two things per year and no other year in that decade or even century has a sibling category at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I accept that they have 1-3 mosque in list but most mosques are not categorised, I will do it gradually, senior Mr.work-shy (talk) 16:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pakistani fashion labels

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories SMasonGarrison 15:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women's football in West Germany

Nominator's rationale: If this should be a seperate category from Category:Women's football in Germany then I suggest to to clearly explain this in the top section of the category page. If not I suggest to merge both categories. Robby (talk) 15:30, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mosques completed in 685

Nominator's rationale: One-entry category, in a tree that doesn't otherwise have any sibling categories for any year earlier than 1375 -- and even the 1375 category is still an outlier of dubious necessity, since Category:Mosques by year of completion doesn't consistently have year-by-year subcategories for every year across the board until 1900. As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories for just one thing -- we don't need this for just one mosque if it's almost 700 years removed from any of its siblings. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nigerian fashion entrepreneurs

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's really not enough people in Fashion entrepreneurs (9 total) to justify diffusion by nationality. Also Entrepreneurs redirects to businesspeople, so I have doubts that the parent category should exist at all. SMasonGarrison 15:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:5th-century Patriarchs of Alexandria

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category, to either merge or turn into a subcat of the latter. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Towns by country

Nominator's rationale: manually merge, "town" has a different meaning in every country, some countries do not even distinguish between towns and cities, therefore we have been in a long process to merge them to "populated places". This nomination is a tiny part of that process. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles and subcategories will already be in a Populated places by country subdivision category, therefore the proposal is to merge manually rather than automatically. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Redundant at lease for Sudan. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Order of the National Flag

Nominator's rationale: This category was previously deleted under the discussion log here in 2013: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 25 - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Category:Patent legislation

Nominator's rationales: (1) I got lost in the category trees before realizing they were not fully connected; I propose to make the smaller category into a redirect. (2) The relevant legislation is almost always national, so "by country" is the right concept. (3) In a few cases, e.g. Patent Act and international treaties, the concept is transnational, so an article can be classified in more generic categories such as Category:Patent law. (4) "Legislation" would be a better title for legislative work in progress, but we have few if any articles about that; the articles are about completed Acts aka laws. I only need to do a dozen manual edits to get this done, I think. I wanted to check with experts here to see if there's any reason not to charge ahead with the task. -- econterms (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not clear to me why a "law by country" tree and a "legislation" category cannot exist in parallel. Of course articles should also be in country categories if they exist, but that is not a reason to drop the "Legislation" category per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the category. Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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Category:19th-century Azerbaijani male actors

Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. The only member of this category (Huseyn Arablinski) became notable in 1905...which is the 20th-century SMasonGarrison 00:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1st-century texts in Latin

Nominator's rationale: manually merge, isolated category, this is not useful for navigation. Manually merge because most articles are already in Category:1st-century inscriptions and Category:Latin inscriptions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose: Why and how is this not "helpful for navigation"? This cross-category is defining/neutral/verifiable and precise and can therefore be kept. It currently contains 5 pages but can obviously contain more. -Mushy Yank. 18:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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Category:German historical fencers

Nominator's rationale: delete, as the header already indicates this is a confusing category. Instead I have added the articles to Category:14th-century fencers, Category:15th-century fencers etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also merge to Category:German male fencers?
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Category:Lý dynasty in fiction

Nominator's rationale: delete, one article only, which is not helpful for navigation. I don't think we need to merge this somewhere, the article is already in proper 13th-century and Vietnamese fiction categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: it is defining/verifiable/neutral and precise, so can be kept. -Mushy Yank. 18:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is not the point of the nomination. Categories exist for easy navigation between related articles and this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    What is not the point of your nomination? How I missing it? You suggest deletion and my !vote is based on the fact that this a perfectly valid category, so I oppose its deletion. As for it being useful or not, I find it useful and it makes navigation between categories about fiction in various dynasties or other periods, easy; see Category:History of Vietnam in fiction. The category being valid, I therefore find its deletion unnecessary. -Mushy Yank. 21:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete. Validity is not why we have categories. The criteria is whether the category is helpful for moving between pages. There is only one page in here, which is extremely unhelpful for navigation. SMasonGarrison 00:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Children's books set in ancient history and Middle Ages

Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly 1- or 2-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose: I find it helpful (how is it not helpful for navigation?) and I can't see why, when precise defining/neutral/verifiable categories exist, we should merge them into extremely broad ones covering centuries. It is not only unnecessary, it is detrimental to the project in my opinion. As for the number of articles contained (if that is relevant), one contains 6 pages, another 4 and a subcat!) and was a WP:BEFORE performed to check that those categories cannot contain more pages, anyway? -Mushy Yank. 18:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:English expatriates in the Habsburg Netherlands

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. I think that this category should be renamed and reparented, if not merged. SMasonGarrison 18:50, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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@Smasongarrison: Thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Happy for the alternative rename to Expatriates in the Spanish Netherlands SMasonGarrison 00:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American historians by populated place

Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries. Also merge to Category:Historians by populated place Lost in Quebec (talk) 23:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on 4meter4 and Marcocapelle's points?
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Merge for now. @4meter4 is welcome to create additional subcats, but we depreciated small cat because potential for growth was too nebulous. I'm neutral on local historians, but that's because I wonder how messy it could get down the line when people are miscategorized. SMasonGarrison 00:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


May 3

Cfd Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire

  • Historic Scotland properties in Argyll and Bute
  • Historic Scotland properties in Dumfries and Galloway
  • Historic Scotland properties in North Ayrshire
  • Historic Scotland properties in Orkney
  • Historic Scotland properties in the Scottish Borders
  • Historic Scotland properties in Shetland
  • Historic Scotland properties in South Ayrshire
  • All of these are to be renamed inline with the Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire category rename. Historic Scotland is the old/previous name of Historic Environment Scotland. Paul Gault

Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire

Nominator's rationale: Historic Scotland is the old/previous name of Historic Environment Scotland. Atomdestroyers (talk) 23:18, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chiara Siracusa songs

Nominator's rationale: Only contains redirects, and no other known existing articles to populate this category with, therefore the category is effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Michalis Hatzigiannis songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry, which is itself a redirect, making this category effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Citizens detained by immigration officials in the US

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:CATNAME
These two categories hold the same articles so we just need one. Creating a clear and NPOV name is challenging though since these incidents don't involve being "arrested" in any conventional sense, not all of the people were deported, and none of the agents have been charged or convicted of crimes, so "detained" seemed like the only term left. (Totally open to alternative renames though.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, I completely agree they should be merged, and am not sure how I ended up creating two different cats that are so similar. I'll go through the diffs to try to make sure it doesn't happen again.
  • Second, I agree thatCreating a clear and NPOV name is challenging. I made a suggestion here, but it's even longer.
  • Third, I'm not sure I agree that the title should get as specific asby U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement vs. something likeby U.S. immigration officials because in some of the instances (e.g. Detention of Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez) the arrest and detention were by FL highway patrol and then a local jail as far as I can tell. In other cases (not in this category, but related) all agencies are denying that they participated (e.g. Rumeysa Ozturk) but there were clearly law enforcement offers acting as immigration officials. What do you think?
i know you're a dog 20:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond those two examples, even internal ICE functions are outsourced to for-profit operators so GEO Group operates many of their detention centers and Eastern Air Express flies many of their deportations. I'm not sure if it's precise to call employees of other agencies and private companies "immigration officials". But my name is also imperfect since the citizens are all being detained upon behalf of ICE but not necessarily by ICE. (I'm good with either name, or a different one, so long as we go down to one category.) RevelationDirect (talk) 21:34, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Template shortcuts

Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains 2 pages which are rightly and adequately categorised in Category:Date-computing templates based on current time, and do not meet the stated inclusion criteria. I already removed {{Prod-nn}} and {{Checked sockpuppet}} as not belonging here either. This category was previously nominated by User:SMcCandlish at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_March_20#Category:Template_shortcuts for renaming to Wrapper templates, which did not achieve consensus. That target name was independently created later; I did not find any contents there that had been moved from here, nor was I able to trace what happened to any other previous contents from here. – Fayenatic London 15:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: It seems reasonable for maintenance purposes to categorize actual redirects (whether "shortcuts" or not) that are to template namespace, but isn't this already done somewhere, using an rcat template? I don't see any point, though, in trying to categorize "shortcuts" since people disagree on what qualifies. Pretty often I find {{R from shortcut}} on redirects that are not actually shorter than the real page names they resolve to, so I remove that rcat template. I can't see a maint. purpose in trying to categorize redirs by a term people subjectively disagree about or misinterpret, especially since functionally (i.e. for maint. purposes) there is no difference between a "shortcut" redir and a non-"shortcut" redir. Plus, this cat. is simply not used, so even if a purpose could be imagined for it, it's not serving that purpose and is just chaff.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Subtemplates of template sigfig

Nominator's rationale: Category is not needed for just 2 subpages. – Fayenatic London 14:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports competitions in Europe by region

Nominator's rationale: delete, none of the five subcategories is properly about a region. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of festivals in North America by region

Nominator's rationale: rename, more accurate and aligned with Category:Lists of people by first-level administrative country subdivision. By the way for both of them I would also be okay with dropping "first-level" and/or "administrative". If other editors feel it can be shorter I will tag the people category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of places by country

Nominator's rationale: split, it is generally far more common to use "populated places" instead of "places" and using both in parallel is merely confusing. Places that are not populated can simply go in geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ascalon in fiction

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent to the Works tree. Normally "in fiction" categories contain "works set in", "fictional people" and "fictional locations". But in the above case there are only works. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hungarian people of Caribbean descent

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation SMasonGarrison 05:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century anarchists

Nominator's rationale: selective merge. There's really not a need to diffuse by century for a modern political orientation SMasonGarrison 04:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • We divide writers by century because we can go back to antiquity and middle ages. If writing would have started in the 19th century we would probably also not diffuse them by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ethnic Hungarian people

Nominator's rationale: redundant category layer that overlaps with Hungarian diaspora SMasonGarrison 02:59, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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Category:Metaphors referring to wolves

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. The articles are already in more appropriate wolves-related categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is part of a large animal metaphor tree. Jahaza (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless you want to delete the supercat Category:Metaphors referring to animals (which I would also oppose), why pick on wolves. True, there are a one or two articles that you could argue to remove from the cat, such as Lone wolf terrorism, if you really want to, tho I wouldn't. Herostratus (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure about deletion, but certainly needs a purge as a number of the entries are not metaphors/idioms and make no sense being in this category. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on pruning the category?
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May 2

Category:Swedish people by province

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category tree with the actual administrative subdivision, the counties of Sweden. I have further diffused when possible from article info but about 100 articles remain and most of them fit in a county category. The workflow could be to reparent the articles manually and delete the category when it only contains categories. Numbers above refer to articles only in each category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bohuslän in fiction

Nominator's rationale: To reduce the categories organised by the historical provinces of Sweden and instead use actual subdivisions. Together with other nominations this would leave only runestones (documented by provinces) and duchies to be categorised by province. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buildings and structures in Bohuslän

Nominator's rationale: To only organise buildings and structures by counties of Sweden and not the historical provinces of Sweden as it is overlapping. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Art museums and galleries in Montsoreau

Nominator's rationale: Five categories for two articles in this 416-people French commune. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amputee category Paralympic competitors

Nominator's rationale: Add hyphen, but there might be better names for these categories. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:10th century in Skåne County

Nominator's rationale: Skåne County did not exist until 1 January 1997 and was created as a merge of the two counties above. How to categorise the area before Swedish rule is open to suggestion. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Public transport authorities of Sweden

Nominator's rationale: These two categories looks to be overlapping. Category:Public transport operators is a parent. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Weekly Idol members

Nominator's rationale: Performing on a TV series fails WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 13:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:That's Entertainment (Philippine TV series)

Nominator's rationale: Performing on a television show fails WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 13:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Malagasy women archaeologists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is underpopulated. SMasonGarrison 13:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arabic comics artists

Nominator's rationale: Selective upmege. This category is about an intersection of language and artistic occupation, that I don't think is defining under egrs SMasonGarrison 13:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Malagasy painters

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this entire tree SMasonGarrison 13:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films about Orthodoxy

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian media

Nominator's rationale: To match parents and subcats, despite the short name of lead article Christian media. – Fayenatic London 11:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Religious films by religion

Nominator's rationale: This holds subcats of films about religions, not necessarily religious films. It's a subcat of Films about religion by religion, but "Films about religion(s) by religion" sounds clumsy and unnecessarily wordy.

Category:Evangelical medias

Nominator's rationale: "media" is a already a plural noun. Add "Christian" like some within Evangelicalism. Add "mass" like Mass media by religion. Note: Christian media does not currently have "mass" but follows the name of its main article Christian media. – Fayenatic London 11:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anna Maria Jopek songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry, which is itself a redirect, making this category essentially redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Critics of Spiritism

Nominator's rationale: The two articles Richard Washburn Child and Bartolo Longo only mention Spiritualism, not Spiritism. – Fayenatic London 09:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2001 in Norwegian cinema

Nominator's rationale: This contains films, which are normally categorised by country and decade, e.g. Category:2000s American films. Cinema categories by year are for festivals, awards etc, e.g. Category:2001 in American cinema. Norwegian decade film categories can immediately be populated with sub-cats for Norwegian-language films, since these are almost exclusively Norwegian. – Fayenatic London 08:37, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of festivals by continent and city

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only subcategory of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Events by region

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, with very few exceptions this is all about organized events. After renaming the category can be moved under Category:Organized events by location. SubCategory:The Holocaust by region should be purged after the rename as these are not organized events. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish American state legislators

Nominator's rationale: The naming is just a bit confusing on the parent category, because it can be read as American describing the individual or the state. The real problem is in the subcategories, "Jewish American state legislators in Maine", as if some state legislators in Maine might not be American, which seems at least rather unlikely. Those should just be "Jewish state legislators in Maine". Nat Gertler (talk) 00:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tagging all subcategories.
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No opinion on the merits. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Telegram channels of Russia

Nominator's rationale: To correspond with Category:Russian news websites and similar. – GnocchiFan (talk) 16:43, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But they are not necessarily “Russian.” Channels in this category are related to Russia, but they do not necessarily have to be Russian (also another case of "of Russia": Category:Mass media companies of Russia). --MocnyDuham (talk) 16:47, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: 'of Russia' makes it clear it's from the country. 'Russian...' could mean any Russian-language channels. The distinction is subtle, but important. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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May 1

American cities in fiction

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. The merge targets are open for discussion too: "culture of" happens to be the parent categories, but maybe not the best. Alternatively we may merge e.g. to Category:Birmingham, Alabama instead of to Category:Culture of Birmingham, Alabama. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A book that is set in Birmingham, AL may or may not have anything culturally significant to that place, which is what people generally would be looking for when they navigate to these categories. Merging makes an assumption about what culture is. The merge suggestion will lead to large and unwieldy culture categories. It makes things less useful for the reader and explorer of the encyclopedia. I'm not sure what the harm is in these categories existing.
Can you explain further what is "redundant" about this category layer from a culture context? Nayyn (talk) 07:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WOW air

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only four entries and little likelihood of expansion. WOW air folded in 2019, there has been no news about the (reportedly unfunded) revival attempt for several years now, and this short-lived airline is not a likely topic for extensive historical scholarship in the future. Carguychris (talk) 21:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Spanish people of Syrian-Assyrian descent

Nominator's rationale: Just like with the Argentinian Assyrian category, only one person included and they are not from the country of Syria Surayeproject3 (talk) 20:03, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Energy infrastructure closed in 1964

Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination. Sometime between the initiation and closure of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 22#Category:Energy infrastructure closed in 1975, the creator of those two deleted categories did start trying to expand that scheme with several other similar categories for other years -- but even though the nomination (and the sole delete vote) were both predicated mainly on the lack of categories for other years, nobody noticed the creation of these other categories in time to reevaluate their position.
To be fair, these are all still small categories for just one or two things each, and the schema is still quite scattershot (i.e. some years but not others), so it's still not a given that they're needed -- but we do have to revisit it regardless, since the original discussion hinged on the 1975 category being a standalone isolate at the time of nomination, which it wasn't anymore at time of closure.
So do we want to overturn the prior result and recreate those two categories on the grounds that the tree was expanded, or is this still unnecessary if all of the categories are still so small? Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:West Bengal Bharatiya Janata Party politician stubs

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, with no evidence of approval by Wikiproject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim -- the minimum bar for the creation of a stub category is 60 articles, so stub categories have to be proposed to the Wikiproject for approval. But there are just 22 articles here, and absolutely no evidence that the creator followed the proper process.
It's worth noting that the stub template has already existed since 2020, and was filing its entries in the target Category:Bharatiya Janata Party politician stubs until being modified in the past week to use this category instead -- and while some Indian states do have their own state-level subcategories of that, they're all over the 60 bar, and many more Indian states don't have their own state-level subcategories of the parent.
To be fair, the undifferentiated {{BJP-politician-stub}} is still on enough people that I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can find evidence that at least 38 of them can be transferred here to get it over the bar -- but 22 articles isn't enough to warrant a dedicated subcategory here. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shearling (band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Band albums category created solely to hold a single redirect that doesn't even actually lead to a standalone article about the band that recorded this album, but to a subsection in an article about the predecessor band that the band members were in before forming the band that recorded this album. And further, the album was just released today, so while it may attain sufficient notability in the future to pass WP:NALBUMS, that isn't already a foregone conclusion yet as of right now.
Redirects can be categorized where appropriate and useful, but there's no rule that redirects always have to have categories on them the same way that articles do, so we don't automatically need this just because the redirect exists either.
So no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when the album or the band actually pass WP:NMUSIC, but we don't need this just to hold a single redirect to an ancestor band. Bearcat (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stagedoor Manor alumni

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category for alumni of a youth summer camp. As always, we categorize people by their defining characteristics, not by every possible fact about their lives -- but these people are notable as actors, singers or filmmakers, not as alumni of a youth arts training program per se. Bearcat (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend keeping it as a category because the program has so many famous and celebrated alumni, not unlike a university or other prestigious program! Mahalowallow (talk) 01:21, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Constantinos Christoforou songs

Nominator's rationale: Only two known entries, both of which are redirects, making this category effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs with music by Levent Çoker

Nominator's rationale: Only two known entries, both of which are redirects, making this category effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Edin-Ådahl songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry (which is itself a redirect), making this category essentially redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Blond (band) songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known article (which is itself a redirect at present), making this category redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:14, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former counties of Scania

Nominator's rationale: Two articles and there are no other Former counties of (province of Sweden). The two articles may be merged to Category:History of Scania but are properly categorised in its parent Category:History of Skåne County. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:55, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tourist attractions in Scania

Nominator's rationale: The only entry here is Category:Castles in Skåne County. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Association of Southeast Asian Nations templates vs. Category:ASEAN templates

Nominator's rationale: No idea which cat name should be better, but aren't both having same navigation purposes? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:French addiction physicians

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:French physicians.

Also nominating for merge:

Category:Nazi German Gulag detainees

Nominator's rationale: narrow category at the intersection of political orientation, nationality, and prison location SMasonGarrison 03:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Works set in American cities

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: These categories were not tagged; I will do so. If there are no further comments we should be all set to merge :)
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Category:Works by Deobandis

Nominator's rationale: Corresponding to the naming format used for subcats within sibling Category:Works by writer nationality. – Fayenatic London 19:50, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, Actually, not all Deobandis are writers. Some were teachers whose teachings were later published in written form—sometimes without their knowledge. Some were muftis who issued rulings that were later compiled and published.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 20:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Can you explain why in detail?–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 22:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because then it is not the work of the Deobandi. But I wonder, is this a real argument or a hypothetical argument? Does this category really contain some works that weren't written by Deobandis? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • As I mentioned in detail, not all Deobandis are writers; they belong to various domains, a point Marcocapelle acknowledged. He suggested changing the category "Books by Anwar Shah Kashmiri" to "Books about Anwar Shah Kashmiri's teachings" or "Books about Anwar Shah Kashmiri." However, I disagree with this suggestion, as such categories are misleading. Books are not always written by the author themselves; sometimes, they are compiled from oral teachings or lectures. In this case, the books were compiled by students from Anwar Shah Kashmiri's lectures, and while he didn’t write them directly, the authorship is still attributed to him through his teachings. The students are merely compilers.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 21:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Equity Media Holdings

Nominator's rationale: Defunct company; stations have been sold Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:15, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on Davidships's comment?
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Category:Hydro-Tasmania power development schemes

Nominator's rationale: C2D with Hydro Tasmania Ahaohahg (talk) 01:31, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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Category:People of the Hydro-Electric Commission of Tasmania

Nominator's rationale: C2D with Hydro Tasmania Ahaohahg (talk) 01:28, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executed Jack the Ripper suspects

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted per G7. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:28, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this intersection is defining. It seems to capture an extremely narrow intersection of suspects, cause of death, and the specific crime. SMasonGarrison 02:14, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Intentional communities

Nominator's rationale: Topic category names are supposed to be singular. Fractaloid (talk) 02:06, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't believe the nominating rationale is the case, or makes sense. CeltBrowne (talk) 02:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @CeltBrowne: WP:TOPICCAT is clear that topic categories are supposed to be singular.
This category has been tagged as such since early 2024. But this looks like a set-and-topic category. I'd remove the {{topic category}} banner and not rename, but if there is not consensus to remove the {{topic category}}, rename as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nominating rationale seems to be accurate. I can’t speak to whether it makes sense or not. Fractaloid (talk) 02:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


April 30

Category:Holiday dates

Nominator's rationale: Now that Category:Holidays is a disambiguation page, I don't think this redirect is helpful. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs written by Alexandros Panayi

Nominator's rationale: Two known entries, both of which are redirects, and no other entries known to be added; category is essentially redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Darja Švajger songs

Nominator's rationale: Only two known entries, both of which are redirects, making this category redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs with music by Sinan Alimanović

Nominator's rationale: All entries within this category are redirects, with no known existing articles to add to it, making it essentially redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with an account on Archive of Our Own

Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the more common naming convention in Category:Wikipedians by website. Alternately delete since it's not clear how this category aids collaboration. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:54, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (as creator) but Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Archive of Our Own so that it is broader and more inclusive of editors who use the website to interact in ways that do not necessarily involve contributing stories or creating an account. I don't see any issues with the category existing, personally. Fan fiction and fandom are broad topics with much legitimate coverage on the encyclopedia, and given AO3's position of significance as a major platform for fandom communities of all stripes, I think it is fair to have a category available for users to indicate their interest in the website and topics related to it. silviaASH (inquire within) 14:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Closed churches in New York City

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. SMasonGarrison 13:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jat clans of Sindh

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. underpopulated category SMasonGarrison 13:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muslim communities of Himachal Pradesh

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 12:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greco-Roman military historiography

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only the ancient Greek and ancient Roman subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: only some of the subcategory "military books in Latin" belong to antiquity; several date from the ninth century or later. I suppose that partially-matching categories can be subcategories of multiple parents; but in any case "Latin" and "Roman" are not the same thing. I don't know whether this should make a difference to this nomination, since a majority of the category's contents does consist of Roman works from the fifth century or earlier, and thus would belong under the proposed title. P Aculeius (talk) 12:03, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs with lyrics by Rosa Lobato de Faria

Nominator's rationale: All known entries are redirects, making this category currently redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian osteopathic physicians

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Canadian physicians LibStar (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Leprechauns

Nominator's rationale: delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. The subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mythological kings of Sweden

Nominator's rationale: merge, although some article texts suggest these kings are rooted in Norse mythology there is no evidence of that. The kings in the two categories have been mentioned by medieval sources suggesting it was real history, and we currently have no means to verify that information. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:State Wakf Board of India

Nominator's rationale: rename, slightly expand the scope of the category so that the Central Waqf Council can also be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me, we should merge the child cats to this new cat as well. SMasonGarrison 12:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christianization in India

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category that doesn't seem very helpful for navigation. Upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 03:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sunni Waqf Board of India

Nominator's rationale: There's no need to isolate this page from the parent category. SMasonGarrison 03:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of Nadar people

Nominator's rationale: Not filled with lists, just individual pages. I'm not sure if merge or delete is better. SMasonGarrison 03:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muslim communities of Jammu and Kashmir

Nominator's rationale: underpoplated category. upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 03:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of Gujjar Muslim People

Nominator's rationale: This is not a list, it's just individual people. SMasonGarrison 02:59, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mosques in Southeast Asia

Nominator's rationale: I don't think we really need to bundle these categories together. There's no need to isolate countries like this. All three of these categories were made by the same user. If not merged, then all the categories need to have sort keys and additional parents added. SMasonGarrison 02:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Khasi muslim people

Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category, that might be a non-defining intersection of ethnicity and religion. SMasonGarrison 02:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cities in fiction

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose. Do all of these categories reflect "culture in" those places? If I set a novel in Berlin, or Washington, D.C., but I don't live there, I'm not sure it would be "culture in" either of those places. The existing titles look better to me, since they don't say anything about where the fiction was written or whether it constitutes "culture". P Aculeius (talk) 12:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion for a further upmerge?
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Category:State funerals in Vatican City

Nominator's rationale: There is no difference with Category:Funerals in Vatican City. Normal funerals would take place in Italy, and none of the pope-related articles are treated as state funerals. (CC) Tbhotch™ 05:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's and Liz's comments?
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Category:Disney Channels Worldwide original programming

Nominator's rationale: Disney Channels Worldwide was renamed anyway so you could technically rename it to CategoryDisney Branded Television original programming, but this seems to be a suiting name. RanDom 404 (talk) 16:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
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Category:Hispanophobia and subcats

Nominator's rationale The term "Hispanophobia" is vague and often refers to anti-Spanish sentiment specifically or perhaps to racism against all Hispanics/Spanish-speakers, but does not include all Latinos such as Brazilians or non-Spanish speaking Indigenous peoples of Latin America. It is both broader and more specific to say "anti-Hispanic and Latino American/Latino". A lot of the racism in the US is against Latinos anyway and not necessarily against Spaniards. For the main category I suggested "Hispanic and Latin American" rather than "Hispanic and Latino", because Latino is more of a US-centric word and isn't used as heavily in other places like Canada. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The main articles are called "Anti-____ sentiment", making the category name not match the articles. I can support moving to Category:Anti-Hispanic sentiment and similar categories. I am not sure "Latino" is necessary since it refers to a subset of Hispanics, but if it is, I am fine with adding it back in. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zxcvbnm Latino is absolutely not a subset of Hispanic. "Hispanic" refers to Spanish-speaking people in both Spain and Latin America/diaspora, while Latino refers to all Latin American origin people in the US including Portuguese-speaking Brazilians, Indigenous peoples who don't speak Spanish or Portuguese, etc. Furthermore, what main article? There are no articles about racism against either Latin Americans/diaspora in general or against Latinos in the US in particular. Those articles haven't been created. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    In any case, I support a move to Category:Anti-Hispanic and Latino sentiment to correspond to Category:Hispanic and Latino. I don't support the proposed, as "racism" is not used anywhere in the titles of the related articles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per nominator. Erick (talk) 19:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films about Brazilian military dictatorship

Nominator's rationale: "Films about Brazilian military dictatorship" is not grammatically correct, and the similar category for Chile has "the" in the title.--JPHC2003 (talk) 01:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category was not tagged; I will do so. If there are no further comments we will be all set for renaming.
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April 29

Category:Babylon 5 stubs

Nominator's rationale: This stub category is extremely small; there are only two other articles in it - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And Carrie Dobro shouldn't even be in it per WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 17:04, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

United States television stub renaming

Nominator's rationale: Any stub category with "United States" in it (see below) should be WP:CONSISTENT with the demographic naming style. In other words, they should say "American television" instead of "United States television" like all the other subcats at North American television stubs. Please let me know if I'm missing anything - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:29, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. I believe I was the creator of a couple of these, but I simply used the existing naming format that was already in place for the parent rather than actively imposing anything — but while there are a couple of other countries (China, United Kingdom) whose sibling categories are using "Country name" instead of "Demonym" (see Category:China television stubs, Category:United Kingdom television stubs), it's clear that the demonym is the overwhelming norm otherwise. Oh, by the way, is there any particular reason why the categories all have the CFR template reduplicated eight or nine times each? Bearcat (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    To avoid confusion, I have removed the duplicate CfR templates and tweaked parameters so that each page's template shows its respective proposed name as well as a link to the correct CfD section. This should make it easier for others to navigate here if they want to contribute to the discussion. Pineapple Storage (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Florida Southern Moccasins football

Nominator's rationale: The team, and school for that matter, were never referred to as Florida Southern during the days of the school's football program, rather as Southern College. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century people by nationality and ethnicity

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. only one category in here (Soviet people by ethnicity ) SMasonGarrison 13:28, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defectors to the Free Syrian Army

Nominator's rationale: Most defector categories are about defection from one nation to another. I'm not sure that this applies is what is happening with Syrian members of one military force joining another. SMasonGarrison 12:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emigrants from Portuguese India to British India

Nominator's rationale: narrow category. both are former countries, and notably we don't have Emigrants from Portuguese India SMasonGarrison 12:50, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Traditional holidays

Nominator's rationale: merge, "traditional" is not a defining characteristic of a holiday. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:FBG Duck

Nominator's rationale: Not enough standalone articles to justify per WP:OCEPON. Works trees are sufficient here. --woodensuperman 10:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serafín Zubiri songs

Nominator's rationale: The only entries within this category are redirects, making its continued existence and usage fairly redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christer Björkman songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry (which is itself a redirect), and given the subject is no longer best known as a singer it is unlikely there will be any new entries to add, making this category redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battle of the Blades participants

Nominator's rationale: These people are already notable celebrities or professionals, so clear violation of WP:PERFCAT for appearing on a TV series. --woodensuperman 07:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the base category, upmerge the season-specific subcategories back to it. Nearly all reality shows consist entirely of people who have other notability claims besides having been on a reality show — people don't get articles because they appeared on an Idol or Got Talent series, they get articles if and when they go on to parlay their time on a reality show into a stronger notability claim, like getting over WP:NMUSIC with their post-Idol recordings. So nobody is ever notable because they were on a reality show in and of itself — all "reality show participants" categories always consist of people who have other notability claims above and beyond the reality show, because the people wouldn't even have articles at all if appearing on a reality show was the sum total of their notability claim in and of itself.
    We have established a consensus against subcategorizing reality show categories by individual season, so I can't justify a keep argument on the season subcategories — but for the base category, the nominator hasn't demonstrated that this would be subject to different considerations than other reality show contestant categories like Category:Got Talent contestants, Category:Big Brother (franchise) contestants or Category:The Apprentice contestants, which all also consist entirely of people who have other notability claims besides competing on a reality show per se. Bearcat (talk) 17:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference with the examples you give like Big Brother is that these people came to prominence through their appearance on that show and we have tended to make an exception to WP:PERFCAT for them. However, participants in celebrity reality shows are not afforded that exception and are routinely deleted. This is more akin to Celebrity Big Brother, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 21#Category:Celebrity Big Brother (UK) contestants and many, many more examples. --woodensuperman 20:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American radicals

Nominator's rationale: The term "radical" has a specific relation to classical radicalism. In the United States, that ideology was represented by the Radical Republicans, which already has Category:Radical Republicans contained within this one. Instead, the three political figures whose articles are tagged with this category are only united as Progressive Era reformers despite huge differences in their views. For example, Eugene V. Debs is tagged with Category:American anti-capitalists, while Henry George has Category:American anti-communists. With poor defining characteristics, this category can be vaguely labeled onto anyone involved in far-left or far-right politics and should be deleted accordingly for using "radical" as a subjective descriptor. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 01:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean oppose. Deleting the category would isolate the child category Category:Radical Republicans. Your concern seems to be equally applicable to the parent category Category:Radicals and sibling categories, like British radicals, German radicals etc. SMasonGarrison 02:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input as the category creator! To clarify, if deleted, I would want Category:Radical Republicans to be a direct child of Category:Radicals rather than orphaned. The header text of Category:Radicals clarifying that "radicalism does not refer here to the American English sense of the term as a left or right-wing 'radical', but to the contrary to the political tradition of Radicalism" highlights why a category for American radicals is uniquely confusing, especially when the country's distinctly radical politicians already have their own category. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 02:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Looking at several threads on Talk:Classical radicalism, it seems there is currently no consensus as to what the name of the page should be. So until that is squared away, it's difficult to decide what the name of the related categories should be. It would appear that Category:Radicals is an ambiguous name as-is, and probably needs some sort of modifying word or parenthetical. And until that is resolved, I'm not sure we can address this subcat as to whether it is appropriate categorisation or not. - jc37 06:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean support (with re-parenting of the subcategory), it looks as if it is not a defining characteristic of the three articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Superisliga players

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Metal Ligaen players which is the article name of the league and older category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the two cats should certainly be deleted/merged/redirected. You certainly have the current article name on your side, but I would be leaning towards renaming the article instead (and keeping the nominated cat and merging/redirecting Category:Metal Ligaen players to it) if that was an option. I can't find any guideline where it is said explictly, but I thought we generally avoided sponsored names as article titles (for neutrality reasons and because sponsors change). But obv, this isn't the forum to discuss the article's name, so deleting per nom is probably fine for now, and we just rename the kept cat if/when the article is moved. Felida97 (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NB: I just went through the leagues in Category:Top-tier ice hockey leagues in Europe, and afaics, the Danish one (Metal Ligaen) is the only one where the sponsor is in the article title (while the following leagues all have no sponsor in the article title, despite currently having one in their official name: Belarusian Extraleague, Czech Extraliga, Deutsche Eishockey Liga, Latvian Hockey Higher League, Ligue Magnus, Meistriliiga (ice hockey), Slovak Extraliga). Felida97 (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nature reserves in Håbo Municipality

Nominator's rationale: One article in each category; does not help navigation. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 13:03, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anthropomorphic horses

Nominator's rationale: I looked through random 30% of the pages in category. None of them says that the ghorse there is anthrophomorphis, and what is more none of them look like anthropomorphic. Here there are anthropomorphic horses. On the other hand all of them see to be Category:Talking animals. Meaning that this categorization is pure speculation of a wikipedian and it must be dismantled into category:Fiction about talking animals. p.s. there even no horse-headed egyptian god to justify the category. --Altenmann >talk 22:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Skanör

Nominator's rationale: Proposed at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_30#Category:People_from_Skanör, due to the small size of this category. However, I doubt that there will be enough contents to expand the "People from" subcategory as well because the place has a population of only 7,000, and hence I closed that one as merge. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:03, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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FBG Duck categories

Nominator's rationale: Categories related to artist article recreated after it was deleted by nomination. DBrown SPS (talk) 09:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slide (FBG Duck song) closes as delete, then both categories will be empty. Also related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FBG Duck (3rd nomination). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American women civilians in World War II

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories and narrow intersection, we don't have an American civilians of WW2 category. SMasonGarrison 01:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, category distinguishes between those who served in the military and those who contributed as civilians. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 04:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


April 28

Category:Fisting

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G7. – Fayenatic London 15:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer of categorization with no clear benefit. The subcategory Category:Fisting subculture is a subcat of Category:Fetish subculture and I think this makes sense even if we delete Category:Fisting. Pichpich (talk) 23:16, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Pichpich, I agree with deleting Category:Fisting and retaining Category:Fisting subculture. I created Category:Fisting first, and then created Category:Fisting subculture second after realizing it is a more consistent naming convention (per similar categories such as Category:Leather subculture and Category:Fetish subculture). My apologies. OiYoiYoink (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musical groups from San Fernando Valley, Los Angeles County

Nominator's rationale: I'd like to rename this category to the broader scope of "Los Angeles County", then reverse merge by having the renamed category serve as a parent to Category:Musical groups from Los Angeles and a sister to Category:Musicians from Los Angeles County, California. This category can be further populated by additional diffusion of Category:Musical groups from California and corrections to those articles for groups from LA County that were added the category for groups from the city of Los Angeles. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming
  • OPTION A
  • OPTION B
Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency. Option A is consistent with the wider tree: Category:Ancient history, Category:Ancient history by country. Option B is consistent specifically with Category:Classical antiquity which is not part of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option B. Some of the category names proposed under "Option A" are problematic because of the wording: history is literally the record of events that occurred in the past. History is not the past itself, and modern art/literature/other things that happen to use the past as a setting are not part of the history of the period in which they are set. I realize that people will understand what "X in ancient history" means, and that some people use "ancient history" loosely so that it means "antiquity", but that's sloppy—and a bit slangy: "ancient history" is sometimes used to refer dismissively to anything not sufficiently contemporary from someone's subjective point of view; "antiquity" is not. While I don't think we need to police the contents of articles to keep out imperfect phrasing, we should avoid it in category and article titles. P Aculeius (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PlayStation 4-only games

Nominator's rationale: Like with Category:Sega 32X-only games and Category:PlayStation VR2-only games, PSVR exclusives should have their own category, just for consistency's sake. PSVR is a game console accessory with its own library, just like PSVR2 and Sega 32X. There are definitely enough PSVR games to justify its own category. Jursha (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Angel games

Nominator's rationale: Angel (company) can't be used as it leads to a dab page. Gonnym (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arab cheeses

Nominator's rationale: Middle Eastern is a regional category. However, since all of the articles are already placed in Category: Middle Eastern cheeses or its subcategories, deletion may be a more appropriate course of action. Hassan697 (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Abrahamization

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. The term 'abrahamization' or its variation 'abrahamisation' appears to be relatively obscure and recent in English-language scholarly literature, possibly a loan word from French. All it seems to refer to is to make something or someone more like one of the Abrahamic religions as opposed to a lack thereof, but that's it. The rare examples I can find on Google Scholar and Google Books speak of the 'abrahamiz/sation' of elements of "Hindu festivals" or "the Arab religion", which are rather abstract notions and claims. The subcategories suggest that it's just Category:Christianization + Category:Islamization + Category:Judaization (itself also a recently created category with just 2 items in it), so an umbrella term for proselytisation to any of these three Abrahamic religions? That's something else. There is no "main article" for this term. Abrahamization just redirects to Abrahamic religions, where the term is not used either, let alone explained. This does not aid navigation at all. I recommend deleting the category for now, and to WP:WTAF, if any could be written, because so far it seems different people mean different things with it. NLeeuw (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:TBD (TV network) affiliates

Nominator's rationale: Name change 4/28/2025 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 12:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with events

Nominator's rationale: rename and purge, the category currently mixes up people associated with things happened in the past, and people associated with organized events. It is basically an example of WP:SHAREDNAME. Purge Category:Event participants and Category:Event planners (that belong to organized events) and keep the remainder e.g. as "historical events". We can then also put it as a subcategory under Category:History. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Volleyball players from Nagoya

Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Also merge to Category:Volleyball players from Aichi Prefecture. Also nominating for merging-

All categories with 3 or less entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guerilla artists

Nominator's rationale: Spelling guerrilla with one r is now "obsolete" and "a misspelling" according to wikt:guerilla. The article for Guerrilla art already has the correct spelling, and is a member of Category:Guerilla artists, so there's an inconsistency here. Other non-warfare articles using the term (such as Guerrilla marketing) also have the correct spelling, so there's no real precedent for keeping these two category titles as they are. Pineapple Storage (talk) 08:36, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBTQ themes in Greek mythology

Nominator's rationale: purge biographies and biographical subcategories, LGBTQ theme is not a defining characteristic of them. There is already a list of homosexual lovers in Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I find the characteristic fairly defining for those articles, especially in context of studies about LGBT and Ancient Greece. Also, the list is an article, not a category, so its existence does not make the category superfluous.
Deiadameian (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Locations in Indo-European mythology

Nominator's rationale: merge, these are relatively unrelated bodies of mythology. We do not have a Category:Indo-European mythology either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Candidates in Ontario provincial election categories

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplication of the word Ontario. It is already obvious that Ontario-specific parties would be the ones contesting Ontario provincial elections. RedBlueGreen93 03:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (of kept, in view of Marcocapelle's comment below). We have the name of the party and the name of an event. And not at all obvious. The change may inadvertently suggest to look up whether Green Party (Austria) took part in these elections (an absurd example, of course, to make a point). --Altenmann >talk 04:36, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
People don't get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se, but if a person who has been a non-winning election candidate (and thus can't be categorized as a member of the legislature) does have preexisting notability for other reasons in order to actually get an article on those other grounds, then we do categorize them as candidates — mainly because if we don't, then they tend to get added to (and thereby clutter up and overpopulate) the general "[Party] politicians" parent categories, so we do need them to be grouped separately from the parent category. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Medieval scripts

Nominator's rationale: WP:DUPCAT. This is an unnecessarily nested category - I noticed it when someone moved a page on my watchlist from this one to the merge target I've proposed. There isn't an extremely clear line between what makes a script "medieval" and what makes it pre- or post-medieval, and palaeographers don't tend to talk in those terms about them either. If this category is kept, it should be clearly categorized as a non-diffusing subcat, so that items aren't removed from one category when placed in the other.
tl;dr everything in Cat A is part of Cat B by definition; however, being in Cat A does not preclude being in some other subcat of Cat B as well. asilvering (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please ping on reply if necessary, I'm not watching this page. -- asilvering (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mass murder in the Gaza Strip

Nominator's rationale: This category seems to exist primarily if not entirely for POV pushing with attacks being labeled as 'mass murder' irrespective of what sources say. I don't know if a single article within it meets the standards for Verifiable, Neutral, and Defining. As an alternative maybe merge with "Massacres in the Gaza Strip". Bob drobbs (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about Category:Mass murder in Palestine? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through examples, it looks like that broader category should probably be deleted too, and that the POV pushing is happening on both sides. Look here Ramat Eshkol bus bombing. 5 people were killed in a terrorist attack. No mention anywhere of "mass murder" in the article but it's in the category. Bob drobbs (talk) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually.... should I just withdraw this request and re-submit it as a collection of related "mass murder" categories? Bob drobbs (talk) 19:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That makes more sense than just singling out one category. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:34, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bob drobbs I would strongly oppose that - mass murder has a specific definition. If the entries in the category don't fit it then remove. Better than "massacre" which is inherently a POV term. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merging to "Massacres in the Gaza Strip" seems the best solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Is massacre not the far more POV term? The massacre categories should be deleted as well. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article Massacre starts by saying: "A massacre is an event of killing people who are not engaged in hostilities or are defenseless. It is generally used to describe a targeted killing of civilians en masse by an armed group or person." That seems a reasonable description to me and I can't see what is POV about it. The only question it leaves unanswered is about the minimum number of mortal victims before we call it a massacre. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose deletion of this or any of the other mass murder categories (Though upmerging to the Palestine category makes sense, idk why we would do it like this). If it's not described as such in the page then remove it, but mass murder is a thing. The massacre categories are a worse named subcategory of the mass murder ones. There is the distinction that all the mass murder categories are typically used for individual lone actor crimes, while many of the entries we call massacres are state actiosn that don't fit there ... but just as often not. In any case this category system should not be disrupted because people in this topic area have POV problems - most of the problematic articles shouldn't even exist PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with all these categories is one I have never been able to think up a way to resolve: there are two encyclopedic, defining topics here, covered by both "mass murder" and "massacre" categories:
    • "mass killings", committed by the state or military or by ethnic/political lines without individual basis, also called massacres, e.g. My Lai massacre
    • "mass murders" committed by an individual or small group of people without state backing, also called massacres, e.g. École Polytechnique massacre
    In sourcing that I have read, "mass killings" and "mass murder" (regardless of whether a murder conviction was sustained or the perpetrator died before trial, "mass murder" is the WP:COMMONNAME of the non-state type - however very rarely they are also called mass killings) are almost never discussed in the same breath, but frustratingly the terminology used heavily overlaps, and as a result so does our categories, so we have two slightly overlapping ones but some of the second group is sorted with the first group because people like the word "massacre". I don't know how to fix this, but I don't think deleting all of them will help. It will probably make it worse, because we will have collapsed the minor distinction we have, and even worse, in the wrong direction. The massacre categories are decidely more problematic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's where I disagree with you. There are plenty of things which we describe as "massacre" in wikivoice. There should be no issue dropping the "My Lai massacre" into a massacre category. The same with the Flour massacre. If editors can argue that it should be called massacre in wikivoice it belongs in the category.
    But at least within the I/P space, I'm not sure there is a single event which is described in wikivoice as "mass murder". It seems like it's solely being used for POV pushing.
    I checked the mass murder page for guidance on possibly finding a definition. The page seems pretty problematic. First highlighting examples of terrorism as mass murder without seemingly sources calling them "mass murder". Then an entire section on "Criticism as an analytical category"
    I'm still leaning pretty strongly that at least in the I/P space the "mass murder" categories don't add any value, and just make a POV mess of things. Bob drobbs (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you that in the I/P area at least it's a mess but the massacre category should also go then, no? Is that not *more* POV pushing, since it basically means "bad killing" as opposed to lawful killing? If we are going purely by things that are called that by some people for a POV term with no cohesive definition we should not have the category at all. Do we get to have a category called "bad events" if most sources view an event as morally abhorrent? No, obviously. Are we going to put the Saturday Night massacre into a massacre category? It has it in the title.
    Yes, the mass murder Wikipedia page is deeply unfortunate and has been for a long time so I agree that I would not look at it for guidance on what constitutes that (I really need to get around to fixing that article), but the word does have a generally agreed upon definition - however, it is generally not applicable to state actions as agreed upon in those definitions, so there is widespread miscategorization going on here and probably none of the entries in this category would count.
    The massacre subcategory is also problematic because most of the articles aren't titled with it in there, and if it is included it's uncited in the infobox or just "people called it this" which is not defining and disputed. The massacre page is meanwhile almost entirely an etymology of the word with just as many definitional problems as the mass murder one. I think something needs to change but both of these categories have problems in a way that needs to be sorted out beyond just deleting one of them entirely and collapsing the distinction.
    Since nothing in this category is applicable to the non-state mass murder definition, this one can probably be deleted. There are a few in the other Palestine categories that do though. So delete this one and I would be open to deleting some of the other I/P ones but please do not do some general mass murder CfD. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose plain deletion, while one may argue about the category name (personally I think massacres fits better than mass murder) the articles clearly belong together as a group. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose deletion for same reasons given above by others. AHI-3000 (talk) 04:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:18th-century Irish monarchs

Nominator's rationale: delete, these weren't Irish people. Supposedly the category tree has deliberately been named Irish monarchs instead of monarchs of Ireland. If this goes ahead the 17th and 16th century categories should be purged, as well as the Irish queens regnant category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose May I remind you that none of the monarchs or politicians categories cover ethnicity? They all cover nationality, and the country in question was the Kingdom of Ireland. Dimadick (talk) 08:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English pretenders to the French throne

Nominator's rationale: delete, too much overlap with Category:14th-century English monarchs to Category:17th-century English monarchs and not a defining characteristic for monarchs after Henry VI of England. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Subjective description of a hereditary claim that lasted all the way to the French Revolutionary Wars.Dimadick (talk) 08:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Oh Hellos songs

Nominator's rationale: All redirects to the band's three albums. Unhelpful for readers to just keep going back to the same articles where the most info about the songs comes from being included in the track listings. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:53, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
here from talk page notification ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i thought it might be useful for aggregate data collection, but no strong opinions either way :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis geography stubs

Nominator's rationale: There are only 46 mainspace articles in the category, when stub categories should have at least 60 - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 19:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose – a country-level geography category seems likely to fill up again. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Office (American TV series) episode images

Nominator's rationale: Single file category. Other files are included in upper category. RanDom 404 (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose – just populate from the parent category. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:46, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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