Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 6

June 6

Category:Educational philosophy

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Educational philosophy to Category:Philosophy of education
Nominator's rationale: Merge. I suggest making the change for consistency with other fields of philosophy (e.g., philosophy of science, philosophy of history, etc.) and for consistency with common usage. hargettp (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Aéropostale

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Aéropostale (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Contains one article and one file (the company logo), not likely to expand. Prezbo (talk) 19:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:German and Scandinavian legendary creatures

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:German and Scandinavian legendary creatures to Category:Germanic legendary creatures
Nominator's rationale: The category as it is uses 'German' in an unusual way and admits this in the category description. The standard way to describe something which includes all of the Germanic-speaking peoples (the Germans, Scandinavians, Dutch, English etc), as it seems is the intention of this category, is 'Germanic'. Munci (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Although I'm not entirely certain the category is needed at all any more; Category:German legendary creatures and Category:Scandinavian legendary creatures have both been created since, and Category:European legendary creatures has been created as a higher-level category. When I created this one, it was a direct subcategory of Category:Legendary creatures by culture, as part of my broader effort to categorize a large number of previously-unsorted legendary-creature articles. "Germanic" would probably have been a better name to begin with, and I no longer remember why I chose this one. I suppose the category would still be marginally useful for categorizing creatures that appear across a broad variety of Germanic cultures, such as Elf. Shimeru (talk) 22:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:RAFAEL Armament Development Authority

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:RAFAEL Armament Development Authority to Category:Rafael Advanced Defense Systems
Nominator's rationale: The company changed its name (not sure when), but the main article and the official website both indicate that Rafael Advanced Defense Systems is the correct and current name. Moved from WP:CFD/S. -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. See also the other "old name vs. new name" debate here today. Absent a good reason not to do so, use the most common name, and absent strong evidence of one being more common than the other, use the current one. Enshrining obsolete names simply because they were there first does nothing to help our readers. Cf. Category:Brunswick Corporation, and note that it isn't Category:Brunswick Balke & Collender, much less Category:Brunswick & Balke with a separate Category:Collender & Co.. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 01:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon work gorup members

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon work gorup members to Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group members
Nominator's rationale: I think the word "gorup" may simply be a misspelling of "group" (hence suited to a speedy rename under C2.A) but I may have overlooked something and thought discussion might help uncover the legitimate reason for the use of "gorup". 24.44.14.186 (talk) 16:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jiangsu Classic

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The result of the discussion was: rename. I will leave a category redirect on Category:Jiangsu Classic. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Jiangsu Classic to Category:Wuxi Classic
Nominator's rationale: The event was renamed to Wuxi Classic this year. See: WPBSA. Armbrust Talk Contribs 14:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per like nominations. We are not here to rewrite history. Keep this category, and make it a subcategory of Category:Wuxi Classic. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom; this has nothing to do with "rewriting history", but having a sane number of categories. If we created a separate article and category for every rename of something, the category system would be next to useless (note that we do not have a Category:The Artist Formerly Known as Prince, nor separate articles for David Johansson and Buster Poindexter). For someone like a person, use the most common name. For something like an event, that people call by its current name, use the current name. I.e., use common sense. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 01:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — This doesn't re-write history – the only purpose of categories is to organise articles - we are not retrospectively renaming the individual articles for the years it was the Jiangsu Classic. Making it a subcategory of the Wuxi category would be counter-intuitive. The snooker articles shouldn't be organised according to sponsorship since this can change on an annual basis. The main article has been renamed to the Wuxi Classic (since it's the convention to use the current name) and it has sub-articles for the previous years (which includes Jiangsu years) so the category should really reflect this organisation. Betty Logan (talk) 01:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per SMcCandlish's reasoning. To avoid confusion, both names should be indicated in the category description (done) and Category:Jiangsu Classic should be recreated as a category redirect. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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American hip hop groups, musicians and producers by location

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2010 JUN 30 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:East Coast hip hop groups
  • Category:East Coast hip hop musicians
  • Category:East Coast hip hop producers
  • Category:Midwest hip hop musicians
  • Category:Midwest hip hop producers
  • Category:Southern hip hop groups
  • Category:Southern hip hop musicians
  • Category:Southern hip hop producers
  • Category:West Coast hip hop artists
  • Category:West Coast hip hop groups
  • Category:West Coast hip hop musicians
  • Category:West Coast hip hop producers
Nominator's rationale: Delete all. Like rappers in earlier discussion, these musicians and groups don't need to be categorized by what coastline they're from, either. Karppinen (talk) 09:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just in case some of these don't have this category, Upmerge to Category:American hip hop groups or equivalent.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Not being an expert, but if any of these are legit subgenres of hip hop, then they shouldn't be deleted. If they're an attempt to categorize by location, then I agree. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 09:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. These are a bit more complex. The rapper categories were part of the deleted Category:American rappers by location, which is why I nominated for deletion. This group of categories are not part of any Category:American musicians by location or similar, but part of Category:East Coast hip hop, Category:Hip hop groups by genre, etc. Unfortunately, these categories seem to have lost their way and pages aren't being categorized that way. Instead, they're being categorized as the rapper categories were, and that's by where the performer(s) are from; note that two of the Foo hip hop musicians categories are part of Category:East Coast musicians and Category:Musicians from the Southern United States, which has nothing to do with the type of genre. I support the deletion of Category:West Coast hip hop artists, as this is acting as a duplicate of Category:West Coast rappers; Category:East Coast hip hop producers, Category:West Coast hip hop producers, Category:Midwest hip hop producers and Category:Southern hip hop producers can all probably be merged to Category:American hip hop record producers as there's no clear line as to how a beat can be classified to belong to a certain coast, at least not until a rapper from a certain coastline decides to use it, then it automatically becomes from that coast purely based on the rapper. The musicians and groups categories require a cleanup, at most. — ξxplicit 02:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and towns in Catalonia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns in Catalonia to Category:Municipalities in Catalonia
Nominator's rationale: Rename. All other subcategories of category:Municipalities of Spain are formatted "Municipalities of (X)".--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and towns of the Sassanid Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns of the Sassanid Empire to Category:Cities of the Sassanid Empire
Nominator's rationale: Rename. These are all cities. One member of this category, Takht-e Soleymān, was neither a city nor a town, and it is already in category:Sassanid castles where it belongs, so I removed it. All the rest are cities.--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and towns in Hunan

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns in Hunan to Category:Towns in Hunan
Nominator's rationale: Rename. We already have category:Cities in Hunan. These are all towns.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and Towns of Cumberland, MD-WV-PA

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populated places in the Cumberland, MD-WV MSA. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cities and Towns of Cumberland, MD-WV-PA to Category:Populated places in Cumberland, MD-WV-PACategory:Populated places in the Cumberland, MD-WV MSA
Nominator's rationale: Rename. We don't have "Cities and Towns" categories for U.S. places, as cities and towns are split into their respective categories. This, however, has cities, towns, villages, and unincorporated communities, so it should have the catchall "Populated places".Mike Selinker (talk) 06:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities and counties in the Tampa Bay Area

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cities and counties in the Tampa Bay Area to Category:Cities in the Tampa Bay Area
Nominator's rationale: Rename. We have no "Cities and counties" categories. I've moved the counties into a new Category:Counties in the Tampa Bay Area, and all that remains here are cities.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Border Region

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Border Region (California) to Category:San Diego–Imperial, California
Propose renaming Category:People from the California border region to Category:People from San Diego–Imperial, California
Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns in the California border region to Category:Cities in San Diego–Imperial, California
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The main article name for this region is San Diego–Imperial, California. The "Cities and towns" category contains only one city.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Post-apocalyptic literature

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Post-apocalyptic literature to Category:Post-apocalyptic fiction
Nominator's rationale: I can't see what the distinction is here between "literature" and "fiction." "Post-apocalyptic fiction" is a parent category, and every article in this category is about fiction.Prezbo (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Cities and settlements of famous people

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn as obsolete / delete after listifying, per previous nomination. I have created List of populated places whose identities come from Philip II of Macedon and List of populated places whose identities come from Alexander the Great, so these can be emptied and deleted.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting Category:Cities and settlements of Alexander the Great
Propose deleting Category:Cities and settlements of Philip II of Macedon
Nominator's rationale: A relist of two categories from this withdrawn sub-nomination that make very little sense at all. These are "Cities and settlements by people who named them," a structure for which no other namer of places is used. Also, the term "Settlements" is falling on disfavor on CfD except for very specific political designations, which these categories don't have. Plus the entries themselves are all over the place; some have only tertiary connection to the conquerer. At best listify, but better if deleted.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Writers who illustrated their own writing

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Writers who illustrated their own writing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem like a notable intersection. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 01:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's rare that I disagree with Occuli but I'm still not completely convinced that this isn't a trivial intersection. Plus, it just seems, well, like a weird category -- which is hardly a deletion criterion, I know. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dual code rugby internationals

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Dual code rugby internationals to Category:Dual-code rugby internationals
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per key article and normal punctuation of adjectival form. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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