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February 5

2010-11 Television program seasons

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Split all, and uncapitalise television. Courcelles 00:06, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:2011-12 Television program seasons to Category:2011 Television seasons and Category:2012 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2010-11 Television program seasons to Category:2010 Television seasons and Category:2011 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2009-10 Television program seasons to Category:2009 Television seasons and Category:2010 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2008-09 Television program seasons to Category:2008 Television seasons and Category:2009 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2007-08 Television program seasons to Category:2007 Television seasons and Category:2008 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2006-07 Television program seasons to Category:2006 Television seasons and Category:2007 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2005-06 Television program seasons to Category:2005 Television seasons and Category:2006 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2004-05 Television program seasons to Category:2004 Television seasons and Category:2005 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2003-04 Television program seasons to Category:2003 Television seasons and Category:2004 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2002-03 Television program seasons to Category:2002 Television seasons and Category:2003 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2001-02 Television program seasons to Category:2001 Television seasons and Category:2002 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:2000-01 Television program seasons to Category:2000 Television seasons and Category:2001 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1999-2000 Television program seasons to Category:1999 Television seasons and Category:2000 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1998-99 Television program seasons to Category:1998 Television seasons and Category:1999 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1997-98 Television program seasons to Category:1997 Television seasons and Category:1998 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1996-97 Television program seasons to Category:1996 Television seasons and Category:1997 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1995-96 Television program seasons to Category:1995 Television seasons and Category:1996 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1994-95 Television program seasons to Category:1994 Television seasons and Category:1995 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1993-94 Television program seasons to Category:1993 Television seasons and Category:1994 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1992-93 Television program seasons to Category:1992 Television seasons and Category:1993 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1991-92 Television program seasons to Category:1991 Television seasons and Category:1992 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1990-91 Television program seasons to Category:1990 Television seasons and Category:1991 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1989-90 Television program seasons to Category:1989 Television seasons and Category:1990 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1988-89 Television program seasons to Category:1988 Television seasons and Category:1989 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1987-88 Television program seasons to Category:1987 Television seasons and Category:1988 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1986-87 Television program seasons to Category:1986 Television seasons and Category:1987 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1985-86 Television program seasons to Category:1985 Television seasons and Category:1986 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1984-85 Television program seasons to Category:1984 Television seasons and Category:1985 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1983-84 Television program seasons to Category:1983 Television seasons and Category:1984 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1982-83 Television program seasons to Category:1982 Television seasons and Category:1983 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1981-82 Television program seasons to Category:1981 Television seasons and Category:1982 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1980-81 Television program seasons to Category:1980 Television seasons and Category:1981 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1979-80 Television program seasons to Category:1979 Television seasons and Category:1980 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1978-79 Television program seasons to Category:1978 Television seasons and Category:1979 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1977-78 Television program seasons to Category:1977 Television seasons and Category:1978 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1976-77 Television program seasons to Category:1976 Television seasons and Category:1977 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1975-76 Television program seasons to Category:1975 Television seasons and Category:1976 Television seasons

Late additions

Propose renaming Category:1974-75 Television program seasons to Category:1974 Television seasons and Category:1975 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1973-74 Television program seasons to Category:1973 Television seasons and Category:1974 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1972-73 Television program seasons to Category:1972 Television seasons and Category:1973 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1971-72 Television program seasons to Category:1971 Television seasons and Category:1972 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1970-71 Television program seasons to Category:1970 Television seasons and Category:1971 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1969-70 Television program seasons to Category:1969 Television seasons and Category:1970 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1968-69 Television program seasons to Category:1968 Television seasons and Category:1969 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1967-68 Television program seasons to Category:1967 Television seasons and Category:1968 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1966-67 Television program seasons to Category:1966 Television seasons and Category:1967 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1965-66 Television program seasons to Category:1965 Television seasons and Category:1966 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1964-65 Television program seasons to Category:1964 Television seasons and Category:1965 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1963-64 Television program seasons to Category:1963 Television seasons and Category:1964 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1962-63 Television program seasons to Category:1962 Television seasons and Category:1963 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1961-62 Television program seasons to Category:1961 Television seasons and Category:1962 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1960-61 Television program seasons to Category:1960 Television seasons and Category:1961 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1959-60 Television program seasons to Category:1959 Television seasons and Category:1960 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1958-59 Television program seasons to Category:1958 Television seasons and Category:1959 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1957-58 Television program seasons to Category:1957 Television seasons and Category:1958 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1956-57 Television program seasons to Category:1956 Television seasons and Category:1957 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1955-56 Television program seasons to Category:1955 Television seasons and Category:1956 Television seasons
Propose renaming Category:1954-55 Television program seasons to Category:1954 Television seasons and Category:1955 Television seasons
Also please comment on the parent category discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_6#Television_programs_by_season.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It seems to me that the vast majority of season articles (of shows of sufficient notability to have such articles) span a TV season such as the season represented by the 2010–11 United States network television schedule. However, support moving from hyphen to dash.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I think the word program should be in the category to clarify that it does not for use in categorizing articles such as 2010–11 United States network television schedule.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I tried to place the Dexter seasons into one of these categories, but found it impossible. If motion is to oppose this move, perhaps more categories should be made, for seasons spanning only one year...? That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 02:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I guess if people don't feel it is clear that Dexter (season 1) belongs in Category:2006-07 Television program seasons, then I will have to support the move.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support To avoid confusion. Agree with the above. —Mike Allen 03:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose To avoid confusion. Disagree with the above. So i pointed out that television seasons differ a little in almost every country. As it is it is not perfect and never will be. The proposition is to make it worse. The one thing not a single one of them have is what is proposed here - broadcast by calendar year. If people don't know the span of the US television season then what are they doing trying to edit such a topic? Shall next be the dismantling of the categories and articles which say the US tv seasons span calendar years? It is the ignorant who oppose Dexter (season 1) belonging in Category:2006-07 Television program seasons. Sure the show aired in one year but this is not grouping it by years; this is grouping it by tv seasons and the seasons span years in most every county. If you group it by years then you split the seasons of the respective shows and thus the category is improperly named. If you realise that the categories are named based on the television broadcast season then you see this proposal has no merit. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 09:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per nom. Only the main US TV networks use the 2010-11 season and so forth. Cable networks don't usually follow that format. Not forgetting season articles from non-US shows. -- Matthew RD 19:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – while technically nothing wrong with the "television seasons" separation this is very limited and only applies to the five big U.S. networks. And the way it's currently setup, Category:2010-11 Television program seasons as subsection of both Category:2010 in television and Category:2011 in television, is inaccurate for shows that aired in only one year. de-capitalize "Television" like Category:2010 television episodes does. Xeworlebi (talk) 22:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • You do realise this proposal makes it inaccurate for all tv show seasons that do not get shown in a single year - aka the opposite of your concern. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 08:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • No it doesn't. ??? A season that airs in both 2010 and 2011 should be part of Category:2010 in television and Category:2011 in television. If you're not part of 2011 then you should't be in Category:2011 in television. Even networks shows that are announced as 2010–2011 but got canceled before they reached 2011 should not be part of Category:2011 in television, as they are not part of the calendar year 2011. An television episode that would be aired on new years eve and cross over into 2011, would be placed in both Category:2010 television episodes and Category:2011 television episodes, as it's part of both. Xeworlebi (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • You don't seem to realise that you are talking about taking broadcast season categorisation and turning it into annual categorisation whilst still calling it tv show seasons. So long as the categories contain the word "season" it is inherently incorrect to have them (only) for a single year. To be most accurate one would need to take Category:2010-11 Television program seasons and change it to Category:2010-11 Television seasons and Category:2010 Television seasons and Category:2011 Television seasons. If a show that only airs a season in 1 year is mislabelled to be in a year-spanning category despite the broadcast season then a show that has a season span years is mislabelled to put it in categories that are year-specific as it implies that season only was broadcast in that year. For this and the redundancy to the Category:Lists of drama television series episodes i do certainly oppose this on any and all propositions. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 22:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • You appear to be entirely missing the point of this change. This change would eliminate the arbitrary naming that is a "television season", which would be abandoned by this and we would go by calendar year. This is not a change from the already limited 2010–2011 television season to the entirely non-existent 2010 and 2011 television seasons, but rather a separation of show seasons in the calendar year they aired in, as in "a season of a television show from the year 2010" etc. This is getting rid of the entire problem of what exactly is a "television season", who uses it and when does it start/end etc. not at all making it more complex, which is what you are suggesting. Xeworlebi (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • (ec)Oppose per Deliriousandlost. Not just the 'big five' networks do "over the end of the year" seasons, I know Sci-Fi (I refuse to call it SyFy) "carries over", for one. Aside from that (and ngetting away from the US), the argument that "2010-2011...is inaccurate for shows that aired in only one year" is only half the story; "2010" and "2011" would be inaccurate for shows that spanned both years in a single season. While the system might be broke, changing it to something else that's broke isn't the way to fix it; two wrongs don't make a right. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having a show that airs over the end of the year does not magically make you part of the invention of U.S. network TV and thus part of 2010–2011 television season. This is going by calendar year, how is it inaccurate to put a season that aired in two calendar years as part of each calendar year? Or is a season that airs over two years suddenly not part of either year? Lets take an example, lets say an article for the first season of Lone Star exists, Fox announced it would be part of the 2010–2011 television season and would thus be categorized in Category:2010-11 Television program seasons, which would make it, because of the way subsections are setup now, part of Category:2011 in television, but it never was part of the calendar year 2011. If that article would exist it should be in Category:2010 in television and nothing else, not Category:2009 in television not Category:2011 in television, not any other calendar year. Xeworlebi (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • As I stated at WT:TV, A useful solution to the existent naming conventions would be a statement at the top of each category saying this category is for season containing episodes that originally aired in the United States between September 18, 20xx and September 17, 20xx+1 or in Canada between September 3, 20xx and September 2, 20xx+1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Lets take an example, lets say an article for the first season of Lone Star exists" - it would be my first ever AFD nomination. If you are going to use examples at lease use ones that have some probability of existing if they do not yet exist. You are still thinking as though categorisation by broadcast season is the same as categorisation by calendar year. Just because season 5 of Dexter was shown in 2010 doesn't mean it is wrong to categorise it as part of the 2010-11 broadcast season but it would be wrong to put season 5 of Dexter in a category of tv seasons from 2011 as season 6 would belong in that annual category. Broadcast season does not equal calendar year and this proposal is so messed up because some people are acting as those they are nigh perfectly interchangeable terminology. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 22:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Sigh, it was an example, if you're really starting to obsess about the possibilities of an example rather than the actual point and the problem at hand…
          • First of, that is exactly my point, this is categorizing Dexter (season 5) as part of 2011 because it would be placed in 2010-2011 television season, which is a subcategory of "2010 in television" and "2011 in television", that is inherently wrong.
          • And secondly, again here, entirely missing the point of this. This proposal is not making up a "2010 television season" like there is the network "2010–2011 television season". This is going by what year they originally aired in. A season airs one day, which makes it part of a calendar year, so the season is categorized as part of that calendar year, say Dexter (season 5) aired in 2010, which would put it in "2010 in television", there is a 2010 television episodes" which is a subcat of this were all the episodes are put in, this is just its equivalent but for season articles. A season airs in december 2010 does not make it automatically part of the 2010–2011 television season, for example every UK show, is not part of this, it is however part of the calendar year in which it aired. Which makes this is a much cleaner, clearer and more encompassing category system then going by the arbitrary and U.S. "television seasons" system. Xeworlebi (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment not too fussed about the division over two years, but if the range of years is used, we should use the en-dash to separate the years (per WP:MOS), not the hyphen. Also, no matter what, Television is not a proper noun, so it's either "2001–02 television seasons" or simply "2001 television seasons" & "2002 television seasons". The Rambling Man (talk) 19:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, my sweet fuck, noooooooooo. Delete all as trivial overcategorization, PLEEEEEEEEASE. If, for some reason, they really must be kept at all, the word "television" should be uncategorized, to boot. Bearcat (talk) 02:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Humber and Thames

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Humber basin to Category:Humber drainage basin
Propose renaming Category:Thames basin to Category:Thames drainage basin
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous. This rename is not being offered with options since the parent category is being renamed to drainage basins. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Various river basin categories

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The result of the discussion was: allow renaming from "basin" to "drainage basin" only, where appropriate. We have reached consensus that "basin" is ambiguous and cannot be left alone. So where a category contains articles about the basin, it can become "drainage basin." But changing "basin" to "tributaries" has not been endorsed. So this close will change Category:Reuss basin to Category:Reuss drainage basin and Category:Aar basin to Category:Aar drainage basin, and do nothing with the Moselle and Saar categories. The latter two can be renominated for further discussion, though.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Reuss basin
Propose renaming Category:Reuss basin to Category:Tributaries of the Reuss or Category:Reuss drainage basin
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As always, basin is ambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a fundamental change to the categorisation of the world's rivers on Wikipedia which needs to be properly discussed first at the Rivers Project by those who understand rivers, basins, etc. Otherwise we will end up with a huge mess and a lot of unnecessary work. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Aar basin
Propose renaming Category:Aar basin to Category:Tributaries of the Aar or Category:Aar drainage basin
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As always basin is ambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a fundamental change to the categorisation of the world's rivers on Wikipedia which needs to be properly discussed first at the Rivers Project by those who understand rivers, basins, etc. Otherwise we will end up with a huge mess and a lot of unnecessary work. "Basin" is not really ambiguous at a river article. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Moselle basin
Propose renaming Category:Moselle basin to Category:Tributaries of the Moselle River
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per the introduction this is about the tributaries. If we ever get a main article on the basin, then we can reconsider. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The article starts off with a very nice image of the Moselle drainage basin so it probably should be renamed to Category:Moselle drainage basin, but I agree the article is just about the river system. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a fundamental change to the categorisation of the world's rivers on Wikipedia which needs to be properly discussed first at the Rivers Project by those who understand rivers, basins, etc. Otherwise we will end up with a huge mess and a lot of unnecessary work. "Basin" cats do not need a main article: a basin includes all the waterbodies in a river's catchment area including tributaries, sub-tributaries, lakes, reservoirs, moors, springs, etc. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Saar basin
Propose merging Category:Saar basin to Category:Moselle basin or to Category:Tributaries of the Saar (river)
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Upmerge to one parent since the others really apply to the individual rivers. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles on deletion review

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The result of the discussion was: keep. We did indeed just discuss this.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Articles on deletion review to Category:Category:Wikipedia pages that are the subjects of deletion reviews
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is populated by a template that serves all namespaces, not just articles, and the category should be renamed to reflect its actual scope. Bsherr (talk) 19:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recursion theory

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Recursion theory to Category:Computability theory
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Should match main article. —Ruud 18:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Uganda

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The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:People from Uganda to Category:Ugandan people
Nominator's rationale: Merge. I see no useful purpose served by this category. The text in the categ says it is for "for people who are not citizens of Uganda but who were born in Uganda or who are resident in Uganda". At least one of the people in the category (Dolar Popat) was one of those Ugandan Asians expelled by Idi Amin, so presumably he was a Ugandan citizen before his expulsion; but whatever the precise citizenship status, it seems to be to me unhelpful to split "people from" categories in this way. Categories exist to facilitate navigation, but navigation is impeded by dividing "people from foo" from "Fooian people" on the basis of a pedantic split wrt to citizenship, which in any case is hard to verify. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games by region

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Video games by region to Category:Video games by country
Nominator's rationale: Rename. More appropriate as this category is split by country. Tassedethe (talk) 16:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transportation in Taiwan

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The result of the discussion was: keep, noting the outcome ("not moved") of the RM discussion at the article's talk page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Transportation in Taiwan to Category:Transport in Taiwan
Propose renaming Category:Proposed public transportation in Taiwan to Category:Proposed public transport in Taiwan
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Category:Transportation in Taiwan was nominated for speedy renaming at the same time as the one below. While Transportation in Taiwan (which I've also nominated for this change at Talk:Transportation in Taiwan) makes a case the other way, I think this should be renamed. There's no clear indication that "Transportation" is in widespread use in a country that mostly speaks Hokkien and Mandarin.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination
  • Category:Transportation in Taiwan to Category:Transport in Taiwan — C2C. The eponymous article matches the current category name but there is no reason for using any particular variety of English in an article about Asia. It just looks messy to have every other Asian transport category named differently to this one (except the Philippines who have some sort of connection with the US, if that's even a reason to use American English). McLerristarr | Mclay117:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose the use of speedy renaming for this since the article is Transportation in Taiwan and this is an WP:ENGVAR issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, it's not an ENGVAR issue. The whole category tree was mostly renamed to transport in a CFD. Only those countries that use American English are at transportation. Taiwan does not use any particular kind of English so should follow the rest of the category tree. A category doesn't always need to follow its eponymous article if it means it has a different format to nearly every other similar category for no other reason other than to follow the article. Taiwan does not speak English so no national style of English is preferred, therefore it should follow the rest of the category tree.McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • That's a fine argument, but it is one that should be made at a full CFD, I think, since these changes can be controversial. Others might dispute your claim that Taiwan has no dominant form of English. But as far as I can see the category names almost always match the article name in the transport tree. Good Ol’factory (talk)04:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment what matters is not how widespread English is in a country, but the English dialect that is used by the country when English is used. For example, see the official site: Ministry of Transportation and Communications(in Chinese). From what I can see, this English use of 'transportation' is from the government itself, not some subsequent translation. Hmains (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Follow article name, whichever it ends up at. I don't know which is correct in this case, but it seems to me that when they do use English, Taiwanese sources use American forms. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to follow the rest of the category tree. There is no good reason to use American English so the standard format should be used. McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • do not rename There is no default to use in these cases and no presumption that British English has some kind of priority use. Evidence shows that American English is used in Taiwan by the government of Taiwan. Hmains (talk) 06:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • For Pete's sake, keep and redirect from alternative. 1) Taiwan, like South Korea and to some extent the PRC, uses a mix of British and American forms. That the ministry uses "Transportation" would indicate that "Transportation" is an officially accepted local variant. 2) The proposer's argument that the category "looks messy" is no argument at all. 3) A category redirect can handle any accidental adds. Given that, I see no reason to disturb the peace here short of any project-wide effort to limit the use of North American English.- choster (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transportation in the Arctic

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Recommend also a consistency nomination for the Canadian categories. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Transportation in the Arctic to Category:Transport in the Arctic
Nominator's rationale: Rename. In the mass rename of Transportation -> Transport, this one didn't get addressed. It was nominated for speedy renaming, where the WP:ENGVAR objection was raised. I think renaming is right, though. There's no ownership of the Arctic Ocean, and since we've made only a few places use "Transportation," this should default to "Transport."--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination
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Category:Beast members

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 12:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Beast members to Category:Beast (South Korean band) members
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match Beast (South Korean band). There are multiple bands by this name. Note that Category:Beast (South Korean band) albums and Category:Beast (South Korean band) EPs already exist in this format. (Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Wikipedia:Disambiguation provides that article page names should not be disambiguated unless there is an actual conflict. It's analogous to categories. Even though the article name is disambiguated, there is no need to do so for the category name in absence of a conflict. The content of the category page itself is sufficient to do so. --Bsherr (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, category names have not typically been treated as analogous in this way, because they are different than articles and appear at the bottom of an article without further explanation. In any case (if I must), I've now created Category:Beast (Canadian band) members, so now there is a conflict and the nominated category should be a disambiguation category. Finally, why would we deviate from the naming structure of the pre-existing categories for Beast (South Korean band)? Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The existence of the conflict resolves the matter. But to address your questions: Though category names appear without explanation, so do articles in "see also" sections. Both can also be linked to in surrounding context. Why treat them dissimilarly? If the category were to have been renamed, I wouldn't object to renaming of other categories for consistency. --Bsherr (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename highly ambiguous categories require constant supervision, so are renamed, regardless if the main article is not disambiguated, further if the category doesn't match a disambiguated article name, it is renamed to match. Further not just bands are called "Beast", which have members. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 18:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support to match parent article. Armbrust Talk Contribs 13:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Places on Degrassi

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge to Category:Degrassi (franchise). Ruslik_Zero 19:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Places on Degrassi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category is entirely comprised of one article and redirects from the same article. The article, List of places on Degrassi, can be put into Category:Degrassi (franchise); the redirects don't need categorization.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery to Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Rename to match main article Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City. Holy Cross Cemetery is ambiguous and we also have Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery (Brooklyn) and Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery (Colma), so the nominated category should be a disambiguation category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Air Defense Artillery

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Anti-aircraft artillery because it now contains Category:Anti-aircraft guns. Ruslik_Zero 08:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Air Defense Artillery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Do we need this category? It has no parents, and it only contains the subcategory Category:Air defense artillery units of the United States Army, which pretty much contains everything that one would expect the nominated category to contain. If kept, it should probably be renamed to match the main article Air Defense Artillery Branch (United States Army). Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination
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Category:Lotus software

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. I see no other option how to name the category for Lotus Software software. Ruslik_Zero 08:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Lotus software to Category:Lotus Software software
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is for software produced by Lotus Software, so standard naming conventions suggest that this should be the name, which would be similar to Category:Atlas Games games or Category:London Films films. (I initially proposed changing this to Category:Lotus Software at the speedy section, but this was opposed because the category is for software; it's not an eponymous category for the company itself. But the current name is deficient because there is no company called just "Lotus".) Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy nomination
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Category:Tauber basin

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Main (river) basin, which was created as a result of the other discussion referenced. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Tauber basin to Category:Main basin
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Single entry category with limited growth potential.a Vegaswikian (talk) 03:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Regnitz basin

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Main (river) basin, which has since been created via CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Regnitz basin to Category:Main basin or rename to Category:Tributaries of the Regnitz
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Apparently this is a part of the Main basin. If this sub-basin ever gets and article, then we can reconsider the need for this subcategory. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battlecruisers of Australia

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The scheme is the scheme, and this fits neatly in it. But there might be support for changing the scheme because it creates singletons like this. A more global nomination is needed.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Battlecruisers of Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ruslik_Zero 11:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry.ShipFan (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)}[reply]
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Category:Franconian Saale basin

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to merge to the now-renamed Category:Main (river) basin, but three out of four were in favour of changing the category in some way (IP user wanted to go further than the others and do an upmerge, and nominator would have been OK with that too); so rename to Category:Franconian Saale for now. Regarding the voice opposed to doing anything: there is indeed a difference between a river and a basin, but as it stands right now, the category seems to contain articles that make it of the type contained in Category:Categories named after rivers and is not a typical "river basin" category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Franconian Saale basin to Category:Franconian Saale or merge to Category:Main basin
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Really about the river and tributaries and not a basin. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:47, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:World War I battlecruisers of Australia

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The scheme is the scheme, and this fits neatly in it. But there might be support for changing the scheme because it creates singletons like this. A more global nomination is needed.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:World War I battlecruisers of Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Basins of Antarctica

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Basins of Antarctica to Category:Landforms of Antarctica
Nominator's rationale: Merge. With basins being ambiguous and with limited growth potential, this category becomes one based on a shared name. Better to just upmerge. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indefatigable class battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge as suggested. Ruslik_Zero 20:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Indefatigable class battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy. Calistemon (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Isère basin

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Isère basin to Category:Isère drainage basin or rename to Category:Tributaries of the Isère
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basin is ambiguous. Another option is to upmerge to both parents. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aude basin

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Aude basin to Category:Basins of the Gulf of Lion Category:Drainage basins of the Gulf of Lion or rename to Category:Tributaries of the Aude
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Basin is ambiguous and this is a two entry category with unclear growth potential. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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