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Category:Falling from bridges

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Bridge disasters involving open moveable bridges. There is a consensus that the current category name is inadequate, but no agreement on any single alternative. I have selected the most popular title of the various options discussed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:55, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Falling from bridges to Category:Bridge disasters caused by open drawbridges
Nominator's rationale: After removing two articles that fit other existing subcategories of Category:Bridge disasters by cause, all remaining articles are "ran through an open drawbridge and fell off" accidents. I'm more than welcoming of better "caused by foo" title suggestions. The Bushranger One ping only 23:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Drawbridge seems to be associated more with medieval constructions. Moveable bridge seems to be the preferred term for the kinds of bridges referred to in this category, and should therefore be reflected in the rename, I think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as proposed, and if doing so, be sure to add Claiborne Avenue Bridge to the category, as one of its three disasters was a car driving over. Ego White Tray (talk) 02:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment where is it said that this category only includes disaters from open bridges? In any case, Moveable bridges makes clear that Drawbridges are only one kind of moveable bridge and thus cannot be used here. Hmains (talk) 17:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • rename to Category:Bridge disasters caused by open moveable bridges as inclusive without need for further breakout and with no implication that the bridge is necessarily in motion when the disaster occurs. Hmains (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Accidental falling from bridges -- This would fit all five, while excluding suicides (as non-accidental). We currently have 5 articles: one involves a lift bridge; two swing bridges; one a derailment on a high bridge, from which people fell; and finally a tug boat hitting a pier, causing two cars to fall off. Hmains's suggestion only fits 3 of these. The nom strictly only fits the first. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Bridge disasters caused by falls.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't know. While the current name may have problems, I'm not sure if the proposed alternatives do much better. Category:Bridge disasters caused by falls is ambiguous since it could be about sections, or all, of the bridge falling. Category:Accidental falling from bridges fails for the tug boat, and maybe other cases, since for me, these are not falls but rather being thrown from the structure. Category:Bridge disasters caused by open moveable bridges seems possible but open bridges do not cause accidents. Something else was the cause and the open bridge was then accessible and the path for falling off of the bridge. Given that the three articles on accidents all appear to be the result of ignoring stop signals, that would seem to be the cause. So Category:Bridge disasters caused by failure to obey signal devices could be better. Also, are these bridge disasters? Again these three involved trains and signalling and not the bridges per say (The bridges were not the cause). Maybe Category:Train disasters caused by failure to obey signal devices would be a better choice. I could also support a Delete with a future recreation of something. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What a mess - Category:Bridge disasters involving open moveable bridges seems to be the closest thing to dealing with all the concerns above, but with how varied the grouping is, I do think after reading the above that listification would probably be the best route. Allowing to explain each of the events clearly, something not possible in categories. - jc37 08:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note there are 4 articles about disasters, and then one on a railway station that is connected with the disaster. This fact may show that this would be better as a list since often the disaster will not merit its own article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Washouts

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The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Bridges destroyed by scour and Category:Bridge disasters caused by scour damage. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Washouts to Category:Bridge disasters caused by scour
Nominator's rationale: Proposed name would match the format of (essentially) all other subcategories of Category:Bridge disasters by cause, which is the only parent cat, and would better match Bridge scour#Bridge disasters caused by scour, the list of accidents of this sort. The Bushranger One ping only 23:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Electro rock

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 27. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Electro rock to Category:Electro rock music groups
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Of the 25 entries in this category 23 are groups playing this music genre. The remaining two are an album and an individual musician. __meco (talk) 16:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of events by place

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Place is much too broad a term for this category, which seems devoted to lists of events by venue. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose events don't all have venues, they all have one or more locations. And if you consider "place" too broad a term to use, then what of "event" ? Exactly how does the bombing of Dresden (an event) have a venue? Or the sinking of the Titanic (another event) ; I am aware these two examples are not currently categorized in this category tree. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 06:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Neoclassical (Dark Wave)

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Neoclassical Dark Wave musical groups. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Neoclassical (Dark Wave) to Category:Neoclassical (Dark Wave) musical groups
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is a musical genre. All articles, bar the eponymous main article are bands which play this genre. __meco (talk) 12:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm unfamiliar with this music so I wouldn't know what are common names for this genre. __meco (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, me too. But I think we can't go too wrong modeling the name after main article, and following our general guidelines when it comes to unnecessary use of parentheses in titles. In fact, I see it matches criterion C2D at WP:CFDS and I think it could even be speedily renamed per my suggestion, therefore. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cricket/Football at the (South) Pacific Games

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C/C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: The games title was changed from “South Pacific” to “Pacific” in 2007 according to 2007 Pacific Games, and the parent category is now Category:Pacific Games. Hhence it would also be appropriate to rename the articles in Category:2007 Pacific Games. Hugo999 (talk) 11:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People in rail transport modelling

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Rail transport modellers. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The proposed name here would better fit how these people would be decribed normally, and also fits the main article for the category, List of rail transport modellers. An alternative would be a rename to Category:Model railroaders, which would actually be even better per WP:COMMONNAME. The Bushranger One ping only 02:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contested speedy, as part of a group of "association" renamings proposed. This one is the most needful of renaming (how is a person "related" to wine? That'd be one heck of a crossbreed!). Proposed name fits the new tree at Category:People associated with beverages, and fits the apparant majority, and most logical format, of subcategories of Category:People by association, which it formerly was under. The Bushranger One ping only 02:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mayors of Boca Raton, Florida

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The result of the discussion was: Double upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are one- or two-person categories for mayors of comparitively small cities; they are unlikely to be expanded much as mayors of cities of the size and importance of these rarely pass the notability threshold. The proposed target of the Altamonte Springs category does have reasonable chance of expansion due to the size of the town. The Bushranger One ping only 02:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Andorno Micca

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge to Category:Cities and towns in Piedmont. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category about a little Italian village, Andorno Micca, containing only one article. Redundant and WP:SMALLCAT. Dэя-Бøяg 01:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Public domain music images

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The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Public domain music images and Category:Public domain music files. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS. When I came to implement the split, I found that there was no Category:Public domain audio files, so I created that instead of Category:Public domain audio files. I created the template {{PD-audio}} to populate it, and moved {{PD-music}} to the more specific title {{PD-music-image}}.
All files have now been re-tagged. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Public domain music images to Category:Public domain music files
Nominator's rationale: While this category initially may have been intended for images of music, it's currently being used for audio files as much as image files. We should rename the category to better reflect its contents. - Eureka Lott 00:43, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Wellsville, Kansas

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 00:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small town and its category has just three people ...William 00:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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