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November 17

Category:Upcoming television series

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Keep - jc37 12:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Upcoming is a bit ambiguous. Are these planned series which may or may not get produced? Or are they in production series? Based on the discussion a reasonable result would be to split out this category in some way. Consideration should also be given to creating a list to explain the actual status for these. Also how far in the future is upcoming? Vegaswikian (talk) 23:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 12:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Category:America is a disambiguation category. America is a disambiguation page, listing first the broader meaning, then the United States. Related articles are Citizenship in the United States, United States nationality law. Also looks strange to have Category:North American people, Category:South American people - and these are not subcategories of Category:American people. Precedents: Category:United States awards winners‎, Category:Naturalized citizens of the United States, Category:Republic of the Congo people, Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo people ChemTerm (talk) 21:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:People of the United States. I think the people of x is just a much better form than linking the two nouns directly together. If it works for Category:People of the Ottoman Empire, I do not see why it can't work for the United States. I think it also should be applied to other countries with no easy adjectival form.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:People of the United States per the Constitution of the United States. -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 00:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm usually one for the other argument - in favour of standardization over common use. But American people is well understood to refer to citizens of the United States. Benkenobi18 (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:People of the United States. Hurrah for the nominator!! A long overdue rename. This is a case where Wikimedia Commons has always had the correct system in place. Making it explicit which state the category applies to avoids mis-categorisation. Eg. I don't know how many times I have discovered Bermuda-, Gibraltar-, Falkland Island- etc. related cats in the "British" biography trees, which Wikipedia afficionados know are only for UK-related biographies, but which a well-meaning non-Wikipedian will often assume relates to British passport holders (many of whom are not UK citizens). Clearly stating the state in the category name allows for crisp, verifiable categorisation.--Mais oui! (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep as is To match common usage, worldwide. To match agreed upon usage in WP. To match its main article Americans. To match its hundreds/thousands of subcategories in the category tree of which this is the top. To match the form found in nearly every one of its sibling categories in Category:People by nationality except for the 2 or 3 exceptions noted by nominator. 'United States' is used to refer to the country, not the citizens of the country. Hmains (talk) 23:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per comments already made by Benkenobi and Hmains. Tim! (talk) 07:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose renaming, but if a rename happens then it ought to be "from" rather than "of"; we use "from" for existing countries and "of" for former countries. (If that was intentional, then oppose as WP:CRYSTAL because the US has not broken up yet.) The usage of "American" is very clear and predominant, see WP:COMMONNAME, and there is no need to rename this and all its sub-cats such as those in Category:American people by occupation. The precedents given by the nominator required disambiguation; this does not. – Fayenatic London 09:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As there is a current RfC at Category talk:People by nationality#Category:FOOian people, it should be allowed to run its course before any more similar nominations are made. – Fayenatic London 09:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A study shows we use "of" for countries and "from" for lower level political units. There is no reason why past countries should be the limit to of, there is no reason not to use it with present countries. Fayentic london is making up historical differentiation where none is intended and then trying to make an issue where none exists. Of is just as acceptable for present countries as past ones, and there is no good reason for the attempt to limit of to the past.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This was a bad idea 5 years ago, and it remains a bad idea. "American people" is overwhelmingly understood to mean "United States people", and the latter phrase is not typically used. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Soldiers

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Typically, eponymous categories are created when there are an array of articles to populate it. With just two subcats of articles, a "see also cat" hatnote should suffice here. Album covers are not articles and are on the album articles, so the subcat is not an aid to readers. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Wanted members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Per the parent category, Category:Musicians by band, categories shouldn't be created if only one member of the band has an article, and in this case, none of them do, as they all redirect to the main article, The Wanted, making this rather unnecessary. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:German West Africa

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. WP:OC. Three little subcategories, one from Southern Africa, so doesn't match with Category:West Africa. Category:German colonisation in Africa is sufficient. ChemTerm (talk) 19:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC) Withdrawn, the category description was misleading, I did further research. See German West Africa, de:Deutsch-Westafrika. ChemTerm (talk) 12:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former Spanish colonies

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 12:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. For clarity reflect the name of the corresponding entity. The main article is Spanish Empire. The category belongs to Category:Spanish Empire. Avoid using adjectival forms when referring to territorial entities. ChemTerm (talk) 19:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree that these were components of the Spanish Empire, but they were colonies of Spain, not colonies of the Spanish Empire empire. The lead sentence of Spanish Empire makes this point rather clearly: "The Spanish Empire comprised territories and colonies administered by the Spanish Crown..." Accordingly, the current category name is valid, but the proposed rename would be inaccurate. --Orlady (talk) 23:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • As usual, Hmains makes an excellent point. This is one of many categories with the "Former Fooish colonies" naming pattern. Thank goodness someone is paying attention to context! --Orlady (talk) 04:55, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stop the procrastiantionism' There is no reason that this nomination should not be considered on its merits. Procrastinationism makes no sense. There are good arguments in existence here, and people have participated and argued the merits at hand. There is no reason to put off a decision other than the known fact that a mass nomination will take more effort and so is unlikely to happen. Moves for a mass nomination amount to an attempt by a mionority to force their will on others by procedural sleight of hand. When people bring up issues, they should be considered on their merits, and not procrastinated by procedural slieghts of hand.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This category already has as a sister cat Category:Former colonies of Courland.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support change to Category:Former colonies of Spain, avoiding the adjectival use. Dezastru (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Detroit

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The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I want to merge Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Detroit into Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Detroit, Michigan since the latter corresponds to Category:Wikipedians in Detroit, Michigan WhisperToMe (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Apollo gifts categories

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Caegory:Apollo lunar sample displays.'--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Apollo goodwill wooden displays, Category:Apollo goodwill display plaques, Category:Apollo goodwill lunar sample display gifts and Category:Apollo goodwill lunar sample displays into Category:Apollo lunar sample displays or into Category:Apollo goodwill lunar sample displays itself.
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, all seem to be overlapping. Brandmeistertalk 14:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:States and territories by year of establishment

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This nomination potentially has an effect on at least 100 subcategories, so a greater consensus would need to be reached for change.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category contains mostly items that are either in the tree Category:Countries or in Category:Country subdivisions, this means, not only states and territories. The name is inconsistent with current terminology in WP, more below. ChemTerm (talk) 12:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Community of interest

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I've upmerged the ones Fayenatic suggested.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems wholly bizarre. Oculi (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree entirely. The creator seemed to be looking for a parent for Category:Works by interest (created 23:47, 3 November 2012) and made this (created 23:47, 3 November 2012) - he works quickly. Now there is no connection between Community of interest and a work, IMO. I would have no objection to "Communities of interest" with some appropriate contents added and the present subcats removed altogether. Oculi (talk) 11:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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