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March 17

TV programming by language

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 May 13. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Afrikaans-language television series to Category:Afrikaans-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Arabic-language television series to Category:Arabic-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Bengali-language television shows to Category:Bengali-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Chinese-language television series to Category:Chinese-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Dutch-language television series to Category:Dutch-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:English-language television series to Category:English-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:French-language television shows to Category:French-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:French-language television shows in Canada to Category:French-language television programming in Canada
  • Propose renaming Category:French-language Belgian television programmes to Category:French-language television programming in Belgium Also fits parent tree Category:French-language television in Belgium
  • Propose renaming Category:French-language education television series to Category:French-language education television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Greek-language television programs to Category:Greek-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Hindi-language television series to Category:Hindi-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Icelandic-language television series to Category:Icelandic-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Irish-language television programmes to Category:Irish-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Korean-language television series to Category:Korean-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Malayalam-language television series to Category:Malayalam-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Marathi-language television series to Category:Marathi-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Norwegian-language television programmes to Category:Norwegian-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Portuguese-language television series to Category:Portuguese-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Punjabi-language television series to Category:Punjabi-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Serbian-language television series to Category:Serbian-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Spanish-language education television series to Category:Spanish-language education television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Spanish-language television shows in the United States to Category:Spanish-language television programming in the United States
  • Propose renaming Category:Tamil-language television series to Category:Tamil-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Turkish-language television shows to Category:Turkish-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Urdu-language television series to Category:Urdu-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Welsh-language television shows to Category:Welsh-language television programming
  • Propose renaming Category:Zulu-language television series to Category:Zulu-language television programming
Nominator's rationaile: Per the discussion and closing statement at this CfD, nominating the rest of the contents of Category:Television programming by language for renaming from "series"/"shows" to "programming". As mentioned there, this is a neutral term that avoids ambiguity and confusion both on content grounds and on WP:ENGVAR, provides uniformity throughout the tree, and also matches the scheme of the category tree, Category:Television programming>Category:Television programming by language. (Note that regardless of the result of this discussion, following its close I will likely propose some sort of splitting for the truly massive English-language category.) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are ignoring the shows/series issues. Everyone who has TV has TV programming, that is what occurs on TV. There is no Engvar issue with that term, in fact the person who came up with it is not America, so to claim it is American will not work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Events in the Thirteen Colonies

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The result of the discussion was: keep. There was a consensus here not to rename as needed, and the nomination was procedurally flawed becuase the sub-categories were neither listed in the nomination nor tagged. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are >150 categories for "(Dis)Establishments in the Thirteen Colonies by (Year/Century/Decade)" ranging from 1607 to 1776. This category name is confusing and anachronistic, both as there weren't thirteen colonies until 1733 and because some establishments (such as Plymouth Colony and Wessagusset Colony) aren't technically in the thirteen. Propose renaming the whole lot of them to "... in the British colonies of North America" for all articles >1707 and " ... in the English colonies of North America" for prior to 1707. Alternatively "British North America" may be used, but that term generally refers to the colonies that would become Canada.
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Category:Images of Sly and the Family Stone

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The result of the discussion was: no action. The heading says "propose deleting", but the rationale says merge without bothering to naming the target category. Feel free to make a nomination which explains what is proposed and doesn't contradict itself ... but please stop wasting other editors time with incoherent or ill-explained nominations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge to subcat and delete. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:46, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mayors of Basilan

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mayors of places in Basilan. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Mayors of Basilan to Category:Mayors in Basilan
Nominator's rationale: Basilan is a province (and an island), not a town or a city, so it is not headed by mayors. These are mayors in towns and cities in Basilan. –HTD 13:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Basilan is a province, but it is managed one level down by municipal mayors (below the governor). So "Mayors of Basilan" (the mayors that Basilan possesses) seems to make sense to me more than "Mayors in Basilan" (they mayors that are geographically located in Basilan). That said, they're both somewhat awkward compromises forced by the naming conventions. I guess the most accurate would be "Mayors of towns of Basilan", but that's silly. I don't think it's worth changing, but I would suggest "Municipal mayors of Basilan" would be a reasonable compromise. 72.235.9.160 (talk) 06:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would've been in favor of "Mayors of towns of Basilan", as it's not that silly, considering there's Category:Mayors of places in the Philippines... in fact I'd go with "Mayors of places in Basilan", as a town and a city are quite different, but both are headed by mayors.
"Municipal mayors of Basilan" implies that Basilan is headed a mayor when it isn't. Unless there are a better naming scheme elsewhere, I'd go with "Mayors of places in Basilan". –HTD 19:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lakas Kampi – Christian Muslim Democrats politicians

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The result of the discussion was: renameCategory:Lakas Kampi – Christian Muslim Democrats politicians to Category:Lakas–CMD politicians per nominator.
The proposed additional renaming of Category:Lakas – Christian Muslim Democrats politicians‎ to Category:Lakas–CMD (original) politicians also received consensus support here, but since it had bot been tagged for renaming we cannot assume that this consensus is properly formed. A further nomination woukd be required for that one to proceed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To correspond with the article which is at Lakas–CMD. –HTD 13:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I realize there's Category:Lakas – Christian Muslim Democrats politicians‎ (for the original Lakas–CMD). In 2009, the original Lakas-CMD merged with KAMPI to form Lakas Kampi CMD, which renamed itself as "Lakas–CMD" in 2012. There's a big chance that politicians (who were alive when the parties merged) from the original and current Lakas-CMDs are the same, but these are of separate entities. I'm open on what to do here, but categorization for either party must be separate. –HTD 15:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Formula One race reports

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to XXX Formula One races. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:
64 subcategories: YYYY Formula One race reports → YYYY Formula One races
Nominator's rationale: Rename all. These categories are populated with articles about Formula One races, and that is how the categories should be named. The word "report" is form of self-reference; it is a property of the Wikipedia article, not of the topic. We categorise by the properties of the topic.
Including the word "reports" in the category title would be appropriate only if these categories contained articles which were about reports of the races, rather than about the races themselves.
If that is unclear, consider the how we categorise an article on a person. Those articles are categorised under Category:People, because they are articles about people; they are not categorised as biographies. Category:Biographies leads us to Category:Biographical works, which is for wikipedia articles which about biographies. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Formula One has been notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • rename all as proposed The category structure here is a little odd because there is a year supercat of the form "YYYY in Formula One", and ordinarily I might ask for an upmerge; but there are also "cars by year" cats which make the division reasonable. In any case all the member articles are titled "YYYY PLACE Grand Prix" (excepting the times when the Indy 500 was an F1 race); besides that the main category also contains Category:Formula One non-Championship races. Obviously these are articles about races and the categories should be given less contrived names. Mangoe (talk) 13:00, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative rename Category:Formula One race reports to Category:Formula One Grands Prix by year and the subcategories to the format "YYYY Formula One Grands Prix". Note that F1 races are referred to universally as "Grands Prix", and that the parent category for the races is Category:Formula One Grands Prix - the proposed rename to "Formula One races" is highly ambiguous to that, as it implies articles about the Grand Prix itself, not each Grand Prix of each year. This is, I suspect, why the "race reports" format was chosen in the first place; I agree it is somewhat awkward, and my suggestion would both be consistent with real-world useage and other categories in the F1 trees. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is not about the races, this is about the race editions. The races themselves all have separate articles (such as Italian Grand Prix versus 2012 Italian Grand Prix) The races are already categorized in Category:Formula One Grands Prix -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It is important to note that not all Grands Prix are Formula One races and not all Formula One races are Grands Prix. The terminology is not exclusive or universal to either case, or to the Formula One World Championship. There have been national championships and alterations to naming conventions. And some, like the Indoor Championship, are not even races. --Falcadore (talk) 01:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nomination, and I support The Bushranger's proposal of renaming the main category to "Category:Formula One Grands Prix by year" (or "Category:Formula One races by year"). But please keep the old categories as soft redirects. --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- We seem to have one article for each race, which is categorised in a branching tree (1) by year and (2) by place. This nom relates to the year brnach of the tree. Renaming to Grands Prix needs to be the subject of a sepoarate discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The current name, while perhaps a little "clunky", avoids the already identified ambiguity of the word "races". I also note the existence of similar categories Category:Formula 5000 race reports, Category:GP2 Series round reports and Category:MotoGP race reports. DH85868993 (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cherry Red albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete (G7). The Bushranger One ping only 22:35, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant cat, since we already have Category:Cherry Red Records albums. There was previously one album contained here, which was Orgasm (John's Children album), but I've corrected that. Thanks. — sparklism hey! 08:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Melena del Sur

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category about a Melena del Sur, a little Cuban town, not provincial seat or other, with only 3 articles transcluded and no subcategories. IMHO redundant by now and WP:OVERCAT. Dэя-Бøяg 02:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:St. Francis-Xavier X-Men ice hockey players

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The result of the discussion was: moot - source category G7'd, presumably as redundant to Category:St. Francis Xavier X-Men ice hockey players. The Bushranger One ping only 22:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:St. Francis-Xavier X-Men ice hockey players to Category:St. Francis Xavier X-Men and X-Women ice hockey players
Nominator's rationale: Proper spelling of the University's name Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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