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Category:Punk genres
Category:Litigators
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete; Category:Trial lawyers should perhaps be considered for merging into this category, or at least it should become a subcategory of it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Litigator is just a different word for lawyer. This category is superfluous to the category Category:Lawyers and the subcats within. Tassedethe (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (changed below, 11 June): Many lawyers (myself included) are not litigators. Transactional lawyers, patent lawyers, commercial lawyers, corporate/M&A lawyers, etc., do not identify themselves as litigators (even if some minority percentage of their practice involves litigation or litigation support). British solicitors are lawyers who do not necessarily litigate, and who aren't permitted to argue before a court. All U.S. lawyers are licensed to litigate before a court, but that doesn't make us practicing litigators. 108.52.24.93 (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC) (IP editor/lawyer)[reply]
- To clarify: among U.S. lawyers, the term "litigator" is synonymous with "trial lawyer," not with "lawyer." Litigation is one of many areas of practice that a lawyer might choose to concentrate in. 108.52.24.93 (talk) 13:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC) (same IP editor/lawyer above)[reply]
- delete If the term is synonymous with "trial lawyer", then merger would be in order. It has only a single member, however, and from what I gather he would be notable principally as an educator. Mangoe (talk) 19:18, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Of the hundreds of lawyers I've worked with over many years, maybe 25% would call themselves litigators (or trial lawyers). It is a specialized practice. It is very distinct from the parent category of "lawyer." (Analogy: all surgeons are physicians, but most physicians are not surgeons, even though they learned something about surgery in med school.) Most lawyers are not litigators/trial lawyers. They practice other kinds of law. Please see Attorneys in the United States#Specialization. 2600:1002:B02A:47F0:F552:A2F:3C35:70D3 (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC) (same IP editor/lawyer above)[reply]
- comment we have Category:Lawyers by type. So, why eliminate litigators, but keep the others? we also have Category:Trial lawyers, so if kept we should merge.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- keep as subcategory of Category:Lawyers by type, probably should be merged into Category:Trial lawyers. Beagel (talk) 04:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per Beagel and Obi-Wan Kenobi. 108.52.24.93 (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC) (same IP editor/lawyer above)[reply]
- Keep - Litigators are a particular specialty within law. NB, not all litigators are trial lawyers; some litigators specialize in trial, others in appellate practice, others both. I wouldn't say we should distinguish at this point, given the overlap, but "litigators" would be the preferred term to "trial lawyers". So if anything "trial lawyers" should be merged into "litigators". --Lquilter (talk) 12:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- comment on the discussion Commenters here really need to look at the contents of the category, because it can already be deleted for being too small, especially since the only member doesn't appear to be notable for his action in the courtroom (he's an educator). If you want to propose a reverse merge, then do so, but at the moment "keep" per se isn't a viable outcome. Mangoe (talk) 11:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- That's certainly because nobody has gone through and edited the category contents, not because there are no pages on litigators in Wikipedia. If it gets deleted, it should only be deleted pending someone willing to go through and diffuse lawyer articles into the litigator specialty. --Lquilter (talk) 21:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The rule is that you cannot delete a category by emptying it during the discussion, not that you cannot add legitimate members to it. But nobody is doing that, I'm guessing because they prefer the "trial lawyers" category. Mangoe (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List of cities and towns in Bangladesh
Category:List of Ukrainian archaeologists
Category:List of El-Ahly Sporting Club presidents
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is an article created in Category space. It duplicates the existing article President of El-Ahly Sports Club. Tassedethe (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lily Dache
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, contains just a single image, with no prospect of expansion. Tassedethe (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:FC Bayern Munich players
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