Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 July 18

July 18

Category:Mixed martial arts venues

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:04, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think this is a WP:OCVENUE issue in line with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_29#Category:WrestleMania_venues and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_July_10#Category:Professional_wrestling_venues_in_the_United_States. Ricky81682 (talk) 21:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defunct professional wrestling venues in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:04, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Defunct professional wrestling venues in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: In line with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_29#Category:WrestleMania_venues and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_July_10#Category:Professional_wrestling_venues_in_the_United_States, it seems like this is an issue of WP:OCVENUE. Ricky81682 (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works originally published in periodicals

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: newspapers are serials not periodicals (as per respective articles) Fgnievinski (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava texts

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava‎ and Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava texts to Category:Gaudiya Vaishnavism‎. Keep Category:Gaudiya Vaishnavism‎. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge and delete per WP:SMALLCAT.
Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava texts contains two articles, already referring to each other.
Category:Gaudiya Vaishnavism, parent of the texts category, will become empty after the former deletion. It is probably a duplicate of Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava‎. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People educated at Integrated College Dungannon

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete without prejudice: Integrated schools are wonderful in Northern Ireland; however this category has contained but one name since it was created. Doesn't really serve any valid purpose. Quis separabit? 17:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine but does every school needs a list of alumni, especially when there is but one notable to be listed? Quis separabit? 11:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Telugu inscriptions

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one (near-epynomous) article in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anga

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete it only contains its epynomous article (about a historical kingdom) and a child category (with modern cities in the region). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Islamic civilization

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, a "civilization" category is not meaningful as a child category, it only makes sense at the very top of a tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Islamic philosophers

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories obviously have the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim views

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The result of the discussion was: relist Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_12#Category:Muslim_views. – Fayenatic London 07:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, the scope of this category does not seem any more specific than the scope of its parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • For clarity, the proposal does not suggest that Category:Sunni views or Category:Shia views would be redundant. If there are views only applicable to certain groups of Muslims or certain Muslim individuals, I'd be happy to keep or subcategorize that. But the category as is seems to contain articles that are applicable to Islam in general. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The category as it stands includes articles on views of Muslims on anything from Alexander the Great and Jesus to slavery. Who or what defines "doctrine" here? A doctrine has to be a central belief of a group, religious or otherwise. I doubt these are defining doctrines of the entire religion and its diverse followers. Dimadick (talk) 09:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're right there are a few articles here, e.g. about slavery, that definitely do not belong in "belief and doctrine" but rather in Category:Islam and society (in which category these few articles already are). So that would require a bit of purging. In general, however, I find it difficult to distinguish between "views" and "belief" if it comes to the more religious subjects. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Kingdoms of clans‎

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename by removing the word "main", which does not add any value. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎

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The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Kingdoms in the Mahabharata. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Eastern kingdoms of ancient India‎‎‎ to Category:Eastern kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎
  • Propose renaming Category:Northern kingdoms of ancient India‎‎‎ to Category:Northern kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎
  • Propose renaming Category:Southern kingdoms of ancient India‎‎‎ to Category:Southern kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎
  • Propose merging Category:Kingdoms south to the Vindhya ranges‎‎‎ to Category:Southern kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎ (see one line above)
  • Propose renaming Category:Western kingdoms of ancient India‎‎‎ to Category:Western kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎
  • Propose renaming Category:North-western kingdoms of ancient India‎‎‎ to Category:North-western kingdoms in the Mahabharata‎‎‎
Nominator's rationale: rename (and merge one). Less ambiguous names and C2C to parent category. Some kingdoms weren't even in India, they were in Central Asia (the north-western ones) or China/Tibet (the northern ones). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is a much needed task but we often see drive-by editors conflating history with mythology and changing categories and I think some of these categories started off as historical cats and have now been filled with mythological entries resulting in the need for a rename. I think Category:Empires and kingdoms of India is in need of a better structure to avoid such problems in future. Also, Category:Kingdoms south to the Vindhya ranges shouldn't be merged entirely to the southern cat, there's some that should be in the western cat, so a selective merge would be needed on that.—SpacemanSpiff 16:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • On looking through I'm not entirely sure if the merge should happen this way or if southern should be merged under south of Vindhyas. Nasikya would go to the west, but Konkana would fit under both West and South, Anupa wouldn't fit in either (the Vindhyas were a defining geographic marker for those texts and standard north-south differentiation doesn't apply directly). I'll try to pick up some reading over the next few days and comment, unless someone like @Abecedare: can provide a better view immediately. —SpacemanSpiff 18:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Completely support the renaming from "of ancient India" to "in the Mahabharata", since that is what the cats are being used for in any case, and the renaming will (somewhat) help avoid mixing of mythological/mytho-historical and true historical entities. The problem Spaceman mentions about the regional classification are true, and perhaps unavoidable. Is there a reason we even need to classify them as such, ie is simply upmerging them all to Category:Kingdoms in the Mahabharata an option? I don't offhand know of a (reliable) reference classifying all the kingdoms, but will take a look. Abecedare (talk) 15:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Non-profit organizations in Belize

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per WP:STRONGNAT should use local variant of English. Belize uses British/Commonwealth English. Parent category is Organisations based in Belize. Standard practice is to used 'based in' as well AusLondonder (talk) 00:50, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Organizations based in Grenada

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per WP:STRONGNAT should use local variation of English. Grenada uses British/Commonwealth English AusLondonder (talk) 00:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I did try that but User:Armbrust opposed and effectively vetoed the nominations, which meant they went stale. AusLondonder (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust: Am I mistaken about the British spellings in Grenada?RevelationDirect (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell that wasn't their reason for opposing, they didn't dispute the actual change AusLondonder (talk) 05:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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