Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 20

November 20

Category:Airports in Cincinnati

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Airports in Ohio except for CVG; also merge to Category:Transportation in Cincinnati, Ohio except for Clermont County Airport. – Fayenatic London 14:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Category has only 3 entries. Two of the entries are for airports not located within Cincinnati. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point, this means that the category should also be merged to its other parent category, Category:Transportation in Cleveland, Ohio. That applies only to the airports of Cleveland though, not to the recently added airports in Ohio. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Most of the recently added airports are as close or closer to Cincinnati than CVG, and the Blue Ash and Cincinnati West airports are affiliated with the city. So I'd include those at least, but I understand that it may be a stretch to put the Clermont County Airport under the Cincinnati tree. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 00:33, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Early Sinn Féin TDs

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 14:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Add a date and to match existing Category:Sinn Féin TDs (post-1923). Snappy (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Question - which category would 1923 SF TDs go into? Gob Lofa (talk) 10:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Those elected at the Irish general election, 1922 would go into the pre-1923 category. At the Irish general election, 1923, De Valera and company used the name Republican not Sinn Féin. The next Sinn Féin TDs were elected in 1927. So probably, post-1923 is the answer. Snappy (talk) 11:21, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then you're making it look like there's a separate category for 1923 SF TDs. Why not call it 'pre-1924'? Gob Lofa (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How is it any different to Category:Sinn Féin MPs (post-1921) and Category:Sinn Féin MPs (pre-1921)? Where do the 1921 SF MPs go? Perhaps instead of pre/post it should be pre/since. @Laurel Lodged: originally created Category:Sinn Féin TDs post 1923, maybe they would like to answer. Snappy (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A tightly written scope definition should do the job. It's already there for the post category. The split point is the end of the Irish Civil War. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion -- I am not an expert on the history of Irish independence. However, as I understand it, SF won a number of seats in the 1918 UK General Election, but the SF members refused to take their seats and instead assembled in a (to UK minds) unconstitutional assembly at Mansion House, Dublin. I am not clear how much de facto power this assembly had, but it can in a sense be seen as a precursor of the post-Treaty Irish Parliament. I think the solution is for 1918-21 SF MPs to be included in a TDs category, despite any question about the legitimacy of Dublin assembly. The date in the post-1921 category is misleading, since it refers to MPs of Provisional SF entitled to sit (but absent from) the UK Parliament from about the 1980s. I do not think there were any SF MPs for at least 50 years after 1921, and when there started to be they did not come from Official SF, which may have been the Ulster branch of the RoI party. There were a number of parties all (no doubt) claiming to be the legitimate descendants of the 1905 founded SF, but it is probably better to treat the original and the successive fragments as distinct parties. My conclusion is that the 1918-21 SF members should be categorised both as MPs and as TDs and those elected in 1922 and 1923 as TDs, even if the term was not devised until 1923: as I understand it TD is an abbreviation for the Irish translation of MP, so that this is not stretching things too far. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly are you suggesting? Snappy (talk) 15:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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