Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 26

June 26

Category:Rift valleys

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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Relisted at 2016 JUL 12 CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Rift valleys to Category:Rifts and grabens

Nominator's rationale: I found this as an ill formed proposal. Because it makes sense, at first glance at least, I fixed it. The proposal was explained at Category_talk:Rift_valleys. Debresser (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the concepts of rift valley and graben are very closely related, it's not needed to have separate categories for them. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Object to this combination as these are very different processes. Only the outcome can sometimes appear to look the same. gidonb (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chinese deities

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 01:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Chinese deities to Category:Chinese gods

Nominator's rationale: I found this as an ill formed proposal. Because it makes sense, at first glance at least, I fixed it. Debresser (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The term and category "deities" includes divine beings of both genders, while the term "gods" here is masculine and the category includes only males. Dimadick (talk) 23:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Category:Chinese deities includes Category:Chinese gods and Category:Chinese goddesses as subcats, which seems an admirable set-up. Oculi (talk) 07:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- It should be noted that some Chinese gods are historic persons promoted to that status after death by governments. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Buddhist temples in Yunnan

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The result of the discussion was:

Relisted at 2016 JUL 12 CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Buddhist temples in Yunnan to Category:Buddhist monasteries in Yunnan

Nominator's rationale: I found this as an ill formed proposal. Because it makes sense, at first glance at least, I fixed it. Debresser (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – the 2 articles do not seem to be about monasteries. Oculi (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Literature not translated into English

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 01:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Literature not translated into English (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale:

None of these articles has a source about the absence of official English translation.
If they have not been published in English yet, it may in the future. The category is hard to maintain.
The category is indiscriminate as it's impossible to list every work without English translation. GZWDer (talk) 16:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There is a long history of deleting attempts to categorise by the absence of an attribute, but for some reason that doesn't seem to be part of WP:Overcategorization. It should be. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. There must be so many works existing in foreign languages that this can never be a useful category. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:08, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete categorizing as not something is generally a really bad idea.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree with John Pack Lambert. Negatively defined categories get flooded with inappropriate entries which meet the apparent definition. Rathfelder (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not defining, indiscriminate list, & categorization of a negative is rarely appropriate. Neutrality^talk 19:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Before someone creates Category:Literature not translated into Tuvan. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:45, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a "non-category". Debresser (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sports clubs established before 1850

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The result of the discussion was: delete, making sure that the contents are appropriately placed in an appropriate year-based category for sports club establishments. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sports clubs established before 1850 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant with Category:Sports clubs established in the 17th century and Category:Sports clubs established in the 18th century. 1850 is an arbitrary cut off point. I can see the point that before a certain point there will only be a few articles, but a by century systems should work just as well. Tim! (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. 1850 is not a meaningful cutoff for this topic. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Manual delete. The nom and RevelationDirect are correct that this is an arbitrary cut-off date. However, deletion should be done manually to ensure that all the category's contents are properly categorised elsewhere, and are not simply stripped of date-based categorisation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- A mid-19th century date might have some merit for British sport. Its popularity rose greatly after the limitation on working hours in (I think) 1860s, which gave working men a half days holiday on Saturday afternoons. This means that the 19th century category might be split into 1800-49 and 1850-99, but the normal split after centuries is by decade. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:13, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete arbitrary categorization. The year appears to have no historical significance particular to this category. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 10:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete absolute definitions are preferable over relative ones. gidonb (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Planned cities in Japan

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 15:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Planned cities in Japan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: see actual content, these are existing cities, not planned cities. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose see Planned community and intro text on Category:Planned cities which would probably helpful to copy to the intro of the by country subcats. Tim! (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The nominator hasn't bothered to check the purpose of the category, which is not as he misinterprets it (and this is not the first such error to arise at CFD from the nom's lack of English as a first language). It would appear that the nominator never even looked at Category:Planned cities, because the purpose of the category is made clear there. The nominator also gives no reason for deleting this category while keeping the parent Category:Planned cities and all its subcats.
It is depressing to see a nomination like this from someone who is so prolific in CFD participation, and even goes so far as to close CFDs. There is a WP:COMPETENCE issue here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:10, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While "existing" may not have been the correct opposite word, I don't find much evidence that cities in this category were planned cities, except for Kyoto, but even for Kyoto it doesn't seem like a major descriptor. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The main article is planned community and it involves the history and foundation of a settlement. As for Kyoto, much of its history is covered on the article of its previous name, Heian-kyō. It explains its foundation as a new capital in 794, the city layout as planned by Emperor Kanmu and his court, and that it was patterned in imitation of Chinese capital Chang'an, with the exception of lacking Chang'an's city walls. Dimadick (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What about the other cities in this category? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per the obvious misinterpretation of "Planned city" by the nominator. However, the listed cities need substantiation by WP:RS in regard to whether they are considered planned cities as a whole. Also, I have no idea what on earth led BHG into attacking the nom so harshly for a forgivable mistake of the kind that has probably happened to anyone of us before. People have different qualifications, strengths and weaknesses. Not being a native speaker is a handicap, no doubt, but not an overriding aspect. While I may disagree with one or the other argument or proposal, all in all, Marcocapelle's nominations have been amongst the best ones lately. --PanchoS (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this nomination can be closed per WP:SNOW. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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