Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 27
July 27
Category:YNH Films
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a company without the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant one. As always, every company that exists does not automatically get one of these just to contain itself; these are created only when they're needed navigationally by virtue of having a lot of spinoff content that needs to be categorized together. But this doesn't have that; the only content here is the eponym itself. Bearcat (talk) 21:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Dae Jang Geum characters
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: No fictional characters from this show have articles; only entry is a character that is also a real historical figure —swpbT 20:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Legislative buildings in Belagavi
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT —swpbT 20:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- The one article, probably the only possible one is well categorised so no need to merge. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Ghanaian female CEOs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT —swpbT 20:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Military units and formations by year of reestablishment
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- The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT; extremely little likelihood of this becoming a more broadly used scheme. —swpbT 20:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment this nomination will leave the child category orphaned. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2017 (UTC)- Oppose Many military units and formations were reestablished, this has a large potential as a broad scheme.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural depictions of Willem Barentsz
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT —swpbT 20:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: the parent category:Willem Barentsz was deleted earlier, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_21#Biographical_categories. The single entry in this category is already linked in the biographical article, see Willem Barentsz#Legacy. – Fayenatic London 22:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete no reason for this one article category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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Category:2017 in men's sport
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT; no previous years in this scheme, and it's never apparently been a problem. —swpbT 20:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
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New York By County and City
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 10:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
- Category:County government buildings in New York to Category:County government buildings in New York (state)
- Category:County courthouses in New York to Category:County courthouses in New York (state)
- Category:County library systems in New York to Category:County library systems in New York (state)
- Category:Museums in New York by city to Category:Museums in New York (state) by city
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- Nominator's rationale: As with the categories listed below in X of New York and Path Stations in New York, the above categories were originally nominated at WP:CFDS by Od Mishehu and all were opposed by Djflem. I have moved the discussions here to get them off of the CFDS page. I have included the full discussions but have hatted them. Some of the opposes were copy/paste duplicates that were not replied to so I have removed them in the interests of clarity.
- To summarize, Od Mishehu nominated the categories for renaming on the basis of the recent RfC about New York → New York (state). Djflem opposes these moves on the grounds that there is no need for disambiguation because the use of "by city" and "by county" clearly indicates that the categories refer to the state of New York, not New York City. I concur with Od Mishehu's reading of the RfC consensus and the precedent demonstrated by our existing use of disambiguation for Washington state vs. Washington DC. (For example: Category:Buildings and structures in Washington (state) by city). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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Oppose County/city clearly indicate they are part of the State of New YorkDjflem (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Oppose listings by city clearly indicate they are part of the State of New YorkDjflem (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Oppose listings by county clearly indicate they are part of the State of New YorkDjflem (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Support – part of Category:Buildings and structures in New York (state) and should by standard naming convention all add "(state)". Oculi (talk) 16:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support - having differentr naming ppaterns for the same entity (in rthis case, the state of New York) would probably make the catyegory tree too confusing for beginners. There's a reason we have WP:C2C to alow renaming in line with already existing category naming rules. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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X of New York
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 10:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Grinding mills on the National Register of Historic Places in New York to Category:Grinding mills on the National Register of Historic Places in New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:Dams on the National Register of Historic Places in New York to Category:Dams on the National Register of Historic Places in New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:Covered bridges in New York to Category:Covered bridges in New York (state)
- Propose renaming Category:Wooden bridges in New York to Category:Wooden bridges in New York (state)
- Nominator's rationale: The above categories were originally nominated at WP:CFDS by Od Mishehu and all were opposed by Djflem. I have moved the discussions here to get them off of the CFDS page. I have included the full discussions but have hatted them.
- To summarize, Od Mishehu nominated the categories for renaming on the basis of the recent RfC about New York → New York (state). Djflem opposes these moves on the grounds that there is no need for disambiguation because there are no instances of the above items in New York City itself, and that New York can therefore be assumed to mean New York State. I concur with Od Mishehu's reading of the consensus and the precedent that even if you don't have any X in New York City, you still need to identify the category as pertaining to New York (state), because a casual reader might not be aware that there are no X in New York City and might wrongly assume that the category pertains to the city. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:55, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Pure conjecture about what a casual reader "might wrongly assume" is not really a valid argument, since the editor cannot assume to know what any reader knows.Djflem (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Right, so we should err on the side of caution and make damn sure they know what we are talking about when there is the potential for confusion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Pure conjecture about what a casual reader "might wrongly assume" is not really a valid argument, since the editor cannot assume to know what any reader knows.Djflem (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Support all per Category:Grinding mills in New York (state), Category:Dams in New York (state), Category:Bridges in New York (state). Oculi (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support all. Even if it's true that there were ever any notable wooden bridges, covered bridges, dams or grinding mills in NYC (and Djflem can't be 100% sure about these) can we expect the casual reader to know this? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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Path Stations in New York
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:PATH stations in Manhattan. – Fayenatic London 06:58, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:PATH stations in New York to Category:PATH stations in New York (state)
- Nominator's rationale: The above category was originally nominated at WP:CFDS by Od Mishehu and was opposed by Djflem. I have moved the discussion here to get it off of the CFDS page. I have included the full discussion but have hatted it. (Feel free to un-hat if that was improper of me).
- To summarize, Od Mishehu nominated this category (among many others) for renaming on the basis of the recent RfC about New York → New York (state). Djflem opposes these moves on the grounds that there is no need for disambiguation because all of the PATH stations are New York City itself, and that New York in this context should therefore be left to mean New York State. Unlike the other categories I ported over above, I don't have a particular opinion on this one; this is a procedural nom only. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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"Oppose All PATH stations are located in New York City, there is no need for any disambiguationDjflem (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Rename but to Category:PATH stations in New York City per Category:Railway stations in New York City (if they are all in New York City, that is). Oculi (talk) 16:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Change mind: rename but to Category:PATH stations in Manhattan per parent Category:Railway stations in Manhattan. Oculi (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support as nominated per sister category, Category:PATH stations in New Jersey. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to parent categories and do the same for the New Jersey sibling category. PATH (rail system) is a very small network of only 14 km in length, with currently only 6 stations in Manhattan and 7 in New Jersey, there is no point in this kind of diffusion. (However, if kept, it should become Category:PATH stations in Manhattan per parent Category:Railway stations in Manhattan.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Regardless of how small the system is, we already have distinct categories for stations in different geographic locations for other systems. There's no reason the Port Authority Trans-Hudson's location categories should be merged. As far as the intended nomination goes, I would prefer Category:PATH stations in New York City, if anything, though I'm open to Category:PATH stations in Manhattan. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
- Alternative Rename To ...in New York City or ...in Manhattan, per DanTD above. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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Years in ancient and early medieval Christianity
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 22:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:50 in Christianity
- Propose deleting Category:246 in Christianity
- Propose deleting Category:247 in Christianity
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- Propose deleting Category:50 in religion
- Propose deleting Category:246 in religion
- Propose deleting Category:247 in religion
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- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just one article per category. The intention of this nomination was to upmerge the content to the parent categories, e.g. upmerge Category:50 in Christianity to Category:50 and Category:1st-century Christianity but it appears that the article is already in Category:50 in Asia and Category:1st-century Christian church councils so a merge is redundant. That doesn't apply just to this single example, but in fact to all articles in the year categories of 1st-millennium Christianity: they are all in a century church council category and in a year by continent or country category. Note that once a year category in Christianity becomes empty, the corresponding year category in religion also becomes empty, so the religion year categories have been included in this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- another batch of unnecessary twigs. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: bother, I was not aware of this nomination when I implemented the merger of the ancient France categories (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_30), and there were a few cases where I did not merge to the year category because the article was already in one of these sub-cats for year-in-Christianity. I suppose I'd better trace them. Alternatively, this could be implemented as a bot-assisted merge rather than just deletion. – Fayenatic London 22:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Probably just Council of Tours, Council of Orange (441), Councils of Nîmes, Council of Vaison and Synod of Arles will need adding into year categories before deletion. That should cover it. – Fayenatic London 22:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'm glad you remember so well that this happened! Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Probably just Council of Tours, Council of Orange (441), Councils of Nîmes, Council of Vaison and Synod of Arles will need adding into year categories before deletion. That should cover it. – Fayenatic London 22:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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Pre-1664 in New York
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to existing Category:Establishments in New Netherland and to Category:1662 establishments in North America, or to new Category:Connecticut Colony establishments on Long Island and to year categories within Category:Establishments in the Thirteen Colonies for the British ones. – Fayenatic London 07:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Propose renaming:
- Category:1630s in New York to Category:1630s in New Netherlands
- Category:1639 in New York to Category:1639 in New Netherlands
- Category:1630s establishments in New York to Category:1630s establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1639 establishments in New York to Category:1639 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1640s in New York to Category:1640s in New Netherlands
- Category:1640s establishments in New York to Category:1640s establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1640 in New York to Category:1640 in New Netherlands
- Category:1640 establishments in New York to Category:1640 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1644 in New York to Category:1644 in New Netherlands
- Category:1644 establishments in New York to Category:1644 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1648 in New York to Category:1648 in New Netherlands
- Category:1648 establishments in New York to Category:1648 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1649 in New York to Category:1649 in New Netherlands
- Category:1649 establishments in New York to Category:1649 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1650s in New York to Category:1650s in New Netherlands
- Category:1650s establishments in New York to Category:1650s establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1659 in New York to Category:1659 in New Netherlands
- Category:1659 establishments in New York to Category:1659 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1662 in New York to Category:1662 in New Netherlands
- Category:1662 establishments in New York to Category:1662 establishments in New Netherlands
- Category:1663 in New York to Category:1663 in New Netherlands
- Rationale: Using the name "New York" for this region before 1664 is an anachronism. This was part of New Netherland until that year. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Two comments:
- none of the establishments in the above categories, except Billiou–Stillwell–Perine House established in 1662, was in New Netherland territory. These categories are apparently referring to New York state instead of New York city (it's rather ambiguous at least).
- presumably it should be New Netherland, not New Netherlands, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Rename to New Netherland per Marcocapelle.GreyShark (dibra) 14:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- Problem -- If all this related to territory under Dutch control before 1664, I would support it. However, we need to find an alternative target for pre-1664 English establishments in territory assigned to New York Colony after the conquest of New Netherland. Most seem to have been extensions of Connecticut Colony. I do not think we will ever get enough content to merit a separate annual category. I would suggest merge all (except to Billiou–Stillwell–Perine House to Category:Pre-1664 English establishments in New York Colony; I may not have the name quite right, perhaps Category:Pre-1664 Connecticut establishments in New York Colony would be even better. Several refer to grants by the English crown, but I assume they were made by colonial governors in the name of the crown, rather than by an English Patent issued at Westminster. We probably also need to merge to Category:16XX in north America. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- Support double merge per Peterkingiron. The name of the category may be rephrased as
Category:Connecticut Colony establishments in New York (state)Category:Connecticut Colony establishments on Long Island, since there is no need to mention pre-1664 in the category name and there was no New York Colony in place yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- Support double merge per Peterkingiron. The name of the category may be rephrased as
- Merge those in New Netherland to a category for that, merge those clearly under British control to the British Empire establishments category for that year. However it might be worth looking into weather English settlers on Long Island really were acting under British auspices, or if they were settling with the support and cooperation of the Dutch.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- The article Long Island describes the place of an actual border between Dutch and English territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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