Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 November 23

November 23

Category:4th-century establishments in Central America

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename/merge as nominated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Establishments by continent up to 5th century were merged to worldwide categories, so there is no other Central America category before 6th century. However, we kept the hierarchy 1st-millennium establishments in the Maya civilization, which is missing a 4th-century category. As for Category:3rd-century establishments in Guatemala with a single member, it seems appropriate to merge this to the corresponding Maya category. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support renaming of 4th-century category... but surely the 3rd-century category should be part of the trees of both Mayan civilisation and Guatemalan history and as such should be kept as is. Grutness...wha? 00:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. With respect to categorizations of establishments by modern country, discussions are going on and on about it, especially because it often concerns establishments of things that still exist in the modern country. Some past discussions are:
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_8#997_establishments_in_Germany
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_25#Category:1806_establishments_in_Poland
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_26#Category:1908_establishments_in_Poland (nominated one day after the previous one, but differently closed)
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_October_9#Establishments_by_country_before_1000
By and large I think we have insufficient consensus to remove past establishments from current country trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Newspapers published in the People's Republic of China

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The result of the discussion was: merge and redirect. (Note: Chinese and Japanese wikipedias still maintain the distinction.) – Fayenatic London 11:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Since PRC is redirected to China, no need to have two cat. Matthew_hk tc 13:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Newspapers published in the Republic of China

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: After several discussion, Republic of China is redirected to Taiwan, while pre-1949 China was in the namespace Republic of China (1912–1949). Since inside the cat was Taiwanese newspaper only, including Kinmen Daily News and Matsu Daily that located outside Taiwan island but controlled by Taiwan (Republic of China). Matthew_hk tc 13:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mammals of Benin

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING - many species (e.g. Senegal bushbaby) are found in many countries. Example of similar CFD: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_23#Category:Mammals_of_Algeria. Note: Many of these categories contain a list article which is more comprehensive than the category and is also in a country category such as Category:Lists of biota of Mali (so double-upmerge is unnecessary). DexDor (talk) 12:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, if we decide to categorise articles about species of mammals by regions rather than by small (on a global scale) countries (that often aren't even mentioned in the article text) then these articles should not be upmerged to the vertebrates-of-country parents. The vertebrates-by-country categories should also be Cfded, but for logistical reasons I'm dealing with this overcategorization in manageable chunks. Also, upmerging (each time) to country categories for the next level up in the tree of life (and then deleting) would result in more watchlist noise on the articles. We could (assuming this Cfd is closed as merge) put a note on the v-of-c categories along the lines of "Mammals should not be included here - see <CFD>.", but (1) the sort of editors who add these category tags to articles (many of whom are now blocked anyway) probably won't read/obey such a note, (2) we haven't generally done that with previous similar CFDs (some of which are listed here), (3) any such note would only last until that level is deleted and (4) it would add more complexity to the process of deleting these categories. DexDor (talk) 09:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Veribrates by country should also be eliminated. Where a species has a widespread range, providing a category for each country where it occurs creates category clutter. The countries in question may cover several climatic zones, each with their own indigenous flora and fauna. We might split West Africa into Tropical West Africa, the Sahel, and there may be a zone between, but the distribution of biota does not respect modern political boundaries. Thus the category structure should follow distribution zones, not political boundaries. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Birds of Cordillera Neovolcanica Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING - most of the articles in these categories (e.g. Elf Owl or Green jay) make no mention of which parts of Mexico the species is found in. Note: After merging it may be appropriate to create subcategories e.g. for Parakeets of Mexico. Example previous discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_29#Category:Birds_of_Suriname. DexDor (talk) 10:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Vagrant birds of Africa

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The result of the discussion was: delete all.
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of East Africa
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of North Africa
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Southern Africa
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of West Africa
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of the British Isles
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of the Americas
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Central America
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of South America
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Antarctica
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Eurasia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Asia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of East Asia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of South Asia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Southeast Asia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Western Asia
  • Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Oceania
Nominator's rationale: From the Vagrancy (biology) article: "Vagrancy is a phenomenon in biology whereby individual animals appear well outside their normal range" (e.g. see Pine flycatcher). That is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of a bird species so these categories should be deleted. However, most of the articles that have been placed in these categories appear to be for birds that spend part of the year in the specified area - thus perhaps these categories should be merged into the corresponding Birds of (region) categories. DexDor (talk) 09:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC) DexDor (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, the reason I chose the term "vagrant birds" was because I felt there was a need for a generic term to designate the seasonal range of any bird, i.e. wintering or summer (even though the latter are extremely rare)
1. therefore perhaps a renaming such as "seasonal birds of..." or "wintering birds of..." would be more appropriate ?
2. whilst also maintaining them in a separate sub-cat. of "Birds of Africa" --Couiros22 (talk) 11:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The main regional bird categories currently include a sub-category for non-native birds (neither breeding nor resident), either corresponding to their wintering or summer range ; IMO only the title "vagrant birds" should be adjusted.
Categories with a numerous amount of entries, e.g. Category:Birds of Sub-Saharan Africa also include bird families. --Couiros22 (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@ Peterkingiron : they are not "vagrant birds", they are "wintering birds" (the issue is the title of each cat., not the content) hence what would be wrong in renaming them likewise ?
@ Jimfbleak : you have no pragmatic assessment :-( --Couiros22 (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Beetles of France

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To align with category text, parent categories and (current) content. Note: This rename would reverse an out-of-process rename. DexDor (talk) 08:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Psalm 18

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. – Fayenatic London 11:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the eponymous article and a redirect to, guess what, the same eponymous article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Late ancient/early medieval states and territories (dis)established by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
more categories listed
Nominator's rationale: merge to decade level per WP:SMALLCAT, many of these categories contain only one or two articles. Note: some of the categories are listed here with only one merge target, that is because the articles in these categories are already in a Category:YYY establishments in Europe or Category:YYY establishments in Asia category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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