Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 November 29

November 29

Category:Middle-earth eagles

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT consisting only of Eagle (Middle-earth) and five redirects to that article. 165.91.13.99 (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional seals and walruses

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Splitting may be done afterwards if it looks useful; Fictional walruses, if created, should be a sub-category of Category:Odobenids. – Fayenatic London 12:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose containerization into Category:Fictional seals and Category:Fictional walruses, then renaming to Category:Fictional pinnipeds Category:Fictional seals and walruses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Seals and walruses are distinct enough that the category can be safely split into two subcategories without ambiguity. The categories above do not currently exist: (1, 2, 3). 165.91.13.99 (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters who have mental powers

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other “characters with X ability” categories and, to a lesser extent, Category:Psychic powers. 165.91.13.99 (talk) 23:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Superhero war films

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Awards by musician

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I am closing all 4 of these discussions together, because they have all raise the same issues. The nominator (@Jc86035) should have nominated them all as a group (see WP:CFD#HOWTO part III), to avoid having a similar discussion replicated over successive sections.
There are clearly issues here which need to be resolved, but there is much better chance of resolution if discussion is centralised (per WP:MULTI). So if someone wants to open a group nomination, feel free to do so without delay, and include a link to this discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Lists of awards by Mandopop artists
  • Propose renaming Category:Lists of awards by Mandopop artists to Category:Lists of awards by Chinese musical artist
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with its parent category (could also be "Lists of awards for Chinese musical artists"). Jc86035 (talk) 15:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be consistent with the categories nominated below if we would extend the scope of the category from Mandopop to all Chinese musicians, and also rename the category accordingly. I'm unsure about the "by for" formulation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Lists of awards by South Korean musicians
  • Propose renaming Category:Lists of awards by South Korean musicians to Category:Lists of awards by South Korean musical artist
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with its parent category (could also be "Lists of awards for South Korean musical artists"). Jc86035 (talk) 15:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, except that it would be Category:Lists of awards for South Korean musical artists. 165.91.13.209 (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest Category:Lists of awards received by South Korean musical artists as the clearest option. It would also more closely match the contents.
See also previous inconclusive discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_November_15#Category:Lists_of_awards_by_South_Korean_musicians. – Fayenatic London 23:15, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt rename adding "received" makes it a lot clearer. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Lists of awards and nominations received by for South Korean musicians. The right term is musician, that is how we refer to these people on Wikipedia. The articles themselves say these are lists of awards and nominations. I have doubts as to weather these lists are really needed, but that is another issue. I know some will say my formulation with "by for" in it is odd, but I am trying to make it clear that what this is categorizing is "List of awards and nominations received by person X", where person x is a specific musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Lists of awards by Indonesian artists
  • Propose renaming Category:Lists of awards by Indonesian artists to Category:Lists of awards by Indonesian musical artist
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with its parent category (could also be "Lists of awards for Indonesian musical artists"). Should be split into a category for musical artists and one for actors. Jc86035 (talk) 15:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest Category:Lists of awards received by Indonesian musical artists as the clearest option. All the member pages are about singers or groups, although some of the singers are better known as actors. – Fayenatic London 22:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt rename adding "received" makes it a lot clearer. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Lists of awards and nominations received by for Indonesian musicians. The right term is musician, that is how we refer to these people on Wikipedia. The articles themselves say these are lists of awards and nominations. I have doubts as to weather these lists are really needed, but that is another issue. I know some will say my formulation with "by for" in it is odd, but I am trying to make it clear that what this is categorizing is "List of awards and nominations received by person X", where person x is a specific musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Lists of awards by musician
  • Propose renaming Category:Lists of awards by musician to Category:Lists of awards by musical artist
Nominator's rationale: Many of these lists are for groups. Jc86035 (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historically segregated white schools in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will move the sub-cat Category:Segregation academies into the parent categories. – Fayenatic London 12:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Historically segregated white schools in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category, were it to be complete, would comprise a majority of public schools in the U.S. that existed in 1954. It is unlikely that verifiable references could be found for each entry. The alternative is what we have now, a small sampling that by its nature has an NPOV problem. Rhadow (talk) 12:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mongolian-language surnames

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not a valid category since Mongolians do not have surnames.Johnsoniensis (talk) 12:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Years and decades in Iceland (up to 1800)

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The result of the discussion was: merge & delete. – Fayenatic London 12:58, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
more categories
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, just one article per category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Iceland is a modern country, which began as a kingdom in 1918 and turned Republic in 1944. Previous mentions of Iceland are therefor anachronistic and should use contemporary descriptors (Icelandic Commonwealth, Kalmar Union, Danish Iceland, etc).GreyShark (dibra) 09:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment agree that it is anachronistic to speak of an Icelandic state before 1918 per Greyshark09. It is possible to speak of Iceland as as island prior to that date. However, islands do not establish things, only states establish things. Much like the island of Great Britain as opposed to the Kingdom of Great Britain (of short duration). Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- I am not convinced that the year target would not be better "1208", rather than 1208 in Europe, but that is for another day. As a large island with a continuous history there is no need to fragment its history by constitutional status. Laurel Lodged's desire to split GB and Kingdom of GB is equally inappropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:53, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rip-off films

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Subjective inclusion criteria. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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