Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 3

February 3

Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi managers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi players

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Public health doctors by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus on renaming. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One of the parent categories is Category:People in public health. There isn't a category of Public health doctors, and it is no longer true that all the people who do this sort of work are doctors. The situation varies from country to country. I'm not proposing to rename all the country categories, but I want to be able to categorize those who are not doctors by nationality. Rathfelder (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:12th-century Catholic Church Councils

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 09:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Uncapitalize "councils," per consistency with the other entries in Category:Catholic Church councils by century. DannyS712 (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:For life politicians

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (WP:NAC). DexDor (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge because of official renaming of party (News in official website of party). Севастополец (talk) 21:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Germanic countries and territories

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 19#Category:Germanic_countries_and_territories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, "Germanic" is not a defining characteristic of e.g. Austria or Denmark, nor was it a defining characteristic of e.g. the British Empire or the Swedish Empire, nor is it a defining characteristic of the culture of these countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Germanic countries and territories - Germanic heritage is the defining characteristic, according to scholarly sources, of several European countries. One Europe, Many Nations: A Historical Dictionary of European National Groups by James Minahan states: "The Germans are an ancient ethnic group, the basic stock in the composition of the peoples of Germany, Scandinavia, Austria, Switzerland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, north and central France, lowland Scotland, and England."[2] Minahan classifies Denmark and Austria (and several other countries) as Germanic nations.[3]
  • The category is consistent with Category:Austroasiatic countries and territories, Category:Romance countries and territories, Category:Slavic countries and territories, Category:Finno-Ugric countries and territories, Category:Sino-Tibetan countries and territories etc. It would be a better idea to nominate Category:Administrative territorial entities by language rather than singling out only the Germanic category for deletion.
  • As the claim by the nominator regarding defining characteristics is contradicted by scholarly sources, the suggested deletions cannot possibly be a benefit to Wikipedia. Krakkos (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nomination is about Category:Germanic countries and territories, Germanic empires and Category:Germanic culture by country. Each of these nominations were responded to separately in the comment above. Your argument from silence based on a selected group of sources is weak. The World Factbook and the Encyclopædia Britannica generally do not mention the ethnolingustic affiliation of countries. By your reasoning, one might as well delete Category:Austroasiatic countries and territories, Category:Bantu countries and territories, Category:Finno-Ugric countries and territories, Category:Romance countries and territories, Category:Sino-Tibetan countries and territories, Category:Slavic countries and territories, Category:Turkic countries and territories and other categories contained at Category:Administrative territorial entities by language rather than singling out Germanic catogories for deletion. Austria is defined as a Germanic country in a large number of scholarly sources.[15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] A similar abundance of sources can be found for the other countries contained in the categories. Krakkos (talk) 12:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sources that you cite mention Germanic not in the lede of the description of Austria, therefore is not a defining characteristic. Please note that we do not categorize by just any characteristic. About Bantu countries etc., while that is an WP:OSE argument, it is likely that you are right that the same may apply to other ethnolinguistic groups. I will dig into that further. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which neatly shows the nonsense involved in any ethnic classification on this scale (look at the genetic studies, and indeed the histories of the countries). So delete the countries one, as not needed, and the empires one. The other is a twig on a larger, & probably diseased, tree, & the whole tree should be taken in one go. Johnbod (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete countries and territories. What about countries with overlapping histories? Switzerland's simultaneously Germanic and Romance. France speaks a Romance language, but its indigenous people are Germanic. Many countries speak English despite having only a small percentage of people of English, German, etc. descent (consider Demographics of Jamaica#Ethnic groups or Demographics of Hong Kong for a couple of extreme examples), and the English-speaking USA has a massive percentage of individuals (including me) who are partly descended from Germanic people and partly from non-Germanic. Keep culture; you nominated a meta-category but not the subcategories, which makes no sense unless you're doing a trial nomination and planning to nominate the subcategories later. Unsure about empires. Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Monasteries in Kazan

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Places of worship in Kazan and Category:Monasteries in Tatarstan. – Fayenatic London 09:54, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in this category, and with only some 100 articles about monasteries all over Russia a subcategorization scheme by medium-sized cities is not very meaningful. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University of Florida College of Law alumni

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close, nominator has been moved nomination to CFDS. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
* Propose renaming Category:University of Florida College of Law alumni to Category:Fredric G. Levin College of Law alumni
Nominator's rationale: C2D vs. Fredric G. Levin College of Law. Also C2C with the rest of Category:Alumni by law school in the United States: Category:Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law alumni‎ instead of Category:Yeshiva University Law School alumni, Category:J. Reuben Clark Law School alumni instead of Category:Brigham Young University Law School alumni, etc. Lagrange613 10:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Refiled at speedy, where it belonged in the first place. Apologies for getting Twinkle-happy. Lagrange613 01:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:PBA D-League Aspirant's Cup

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Aspirants" is supposed to be plural as there's many of them. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Evangelical Christianity-stub

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unused, unneeded stub template DannyS712 (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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