Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 4

October 4

Category:Specific models

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 13#Category:Specific models

Category:Thai Buddhist monarchs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As far as I could determine, there are no historical Thai or Lao monarchs who weren't Buddhist. These categories are redundant, since Category:Thai monarchs and Category:Monarchs of Laos, Category:Kings of Lan Xang, Category:Kings of Champasak, Category:Kings of Luang Phrabang and Category:Kings of Vientiane can be placed under Category:Buddhist monarchs directly. Paul_012 (talk) 14:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All articles currently under Category:Laotian Buddhist monarchs except Sisavang Vatthana are already under Category:Kings of Lan Xang. I think if Category:Laotian monarchs were to be created, it should serve as a container cat for those five historical Lao kingdoms. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fishing companies in Australia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, per WP:SMALLCAT, not enough fishing companies are notable. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support both, rather sadly. Rathfelder (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Why I dont like CFD - exactly - a really unhelpful merge JarrahTree 00:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:CIS Men's Basketball Championship

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 13#Category:CIS Men's Basketball Championship

Category:1861 in Montgomery, Alabama

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Montgomery, Alabama in the American Civil War. No opposition. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging
Propose deleting
  • Category:Years in Montgomery, Alabama
  • Category:Decades in Montgomery, Alabama
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. This categorisation scheme was started in March 2017, and abandoned the same day with only only two articles in the whole tree. i.e. the two pages in Category:1861 in Montgomery, Alabama.
Montgomery isn't a huge city (2010 population = 205,764), so I don't know how much content there is per decade. So it would be much better to start by populating the century categories, and divide them by decade if there is enough content to do so with crating a forest of SMALLCATs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:34, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Greater Croatian ideology

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename as proposed. While I usually wouldn't be comfortable closing a discussion with two plausible alternatives with little discussion of the second, but since it has been a relist and 20 days without any discussion I don't believe keeping this open will do any good. I'm consequently closing in favor of the original proposal for which there is consensus is preferable to the status quo. There is no consensus with regards to the Greater Croatia (ideology) alternative and no predjudice against starting a new discussion on this topic. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 07:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The proposed titles represent a more natural intersection of Category:Fooian nationalism Category:Irredentism, and align with similar categories for the Albanian, Italian, Polish, and other variants in the latter category. (Pinging the categories' creators, User:Santasa99 and User:Mladifilozof) -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Carpooling services

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 12#Category:Carpooling services

Category:Internet companies of Norway

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 12#Category:Internet companies of Norway

Category:LGBT people of Puerto Rican descent

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to parents. MER-C 10:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:LGBT people of Puerto Rican descent to Category:LGBT American people of Puerto Rican descent
Nominator's rationale: Category description and parent categories seem to imply that this category is specific to American people of Puerto Rican descent, not people in any country. Place Clichy (talk) 09:47, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge. In reality this shouldn't exist, because the intersection of nationality with LGBTness with country of ancestral origin is a triple intersection and not a defining characteristic — similar categories do not and rightly should not exist for any other possible combination of those attributes on earth. No "American LGBT people of Japanese descent", no "German LGBT people of Turkish descent", no "Canadian LGBT people of Danish descent", and on and so forth.
    But even though I disagree with the need for it it, I feel it necessary to provide some background on the actual story behind this: Puerto Rico's status as a territory of the United States means that "Puerto Rican X" categories often collect mainland Americans with Puerto Rican heritage even if they've never personally lived in Puerto Rico at all — whether they should or not is another question that's beyond the scope of this discussion to review, but as it stands they often do. But in this case, the fact that the category for LGBT people from Puerto Rico is named "LGBT people from Puerto Rico" rather than "Puerto Rican LGBT people" precludes using it that way — so the creator of this argued that we had to create a special Puerto Rico-specific exemption from the otherwise universal consensus against intersecting LGBTness with ethnicity, so that mainlanders of Puerto Rican ancestry could still contain some form of categorization for the LGBT-meets-Puerto-Rico axis to match to the way "Puerto Rican X" categories were getting used. And because of his persistence in arguing that Puerto Rico had special needs that required a special compromise, past attempts to delete this have always landed "no consensus" rather than as clear deletes or keeps.
    And furthermore, it's always created the problem that editors thought it justified other "LGBT people of X descent" categories for other ethnicities too — which is another reason why Puerto Rico doesn't really need a completely unique exemption from the fact that it's not considered a defining characteristic for anybody else. We have always consistently deleted "LGBT people of X descent" every time it's ever been tried for any other ethnicity but Puerto Rican — entirely because of Lawrlafo's persistence in manning the ramparts every time it was challenged, this is the only one for which we've struggled to actually establish a consensus against it.
    I wasn't convinced by Lawrlafo's arguments in 2010, and I'm no more convinced by them in 2019 — this should still be upmerged rather than simply being renamed. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Faculty by university in Europe

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Withdrawn from speedy to bring to full discussion. "Universities and colleges" covers "categories containing a wide range of higher education intitutions (colleges, institutes, academies, faculties, polytechnics, specialized schools etc.)" (per User:Place Clichy). "Universities and colleges" is also consistent with Category:Faculty by university or college and Category:Universities and colleges in Europe. Target is currently a soft redirect. Pinging participants in the previous discussion on Category:Universities_in_Croatia: User:Marcocapelle, User:Place Clichy, User:Rathfelder. TSventon (talk) 08:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Jews of Latin European descent

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:American Jews of Latin European descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
  • Propose merging Category:American Jews of Germanic European descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
  • Propose merging Category:American Jews of Baltic descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
Nominator's rationale: These categories are not fitting the current "people by descent" category as there are no Latin Europeans, Germanic Europeans or Baltic Europeans parents - and there probably should not be. They are intersections of descent and ethnicity on arbitrary lines (why in the world would American people of Belgian-Jewish descent be of Latin European descent but American people of Luxembourgian-Jewish descent be of Germanic European descent?). Such intersections should be set up with great care and only when most necessary according to WP:OCEGRS. Suggest upmerge to the only parent. Place Clichy (talk) 07:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:R.E. Mouscron players

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 13#Category:R.E. Mouscron players

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