Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 29

September 29

Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe actresses

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: deleted. Bearcat (talk) 22:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:PERFCAT, as the category defines performers by their performance. Same rationale as this deletion. Joeyconnick (talk) 18:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Members of the Congress of Deputies

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 11#Members of the Congress of Deputies

Spanish government ministers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:CATNAME states that political office-holders by country categories should be named Category:...of country. It also states that regular nouns (e.g. ministers) aren't capitalised except when they come at the beginning. Obi2canibe (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Soca and calypso radio stations

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Category:Spouses of members of the United States House of Representatives

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Spouses of members of the United States House of Representatives (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete as non-defining. Notability is not inherited by marriage. Being married to an elected legislator confers no special position or role in government, as would be the case with the spouse of an executive. TM 13:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also nominating Category:Spouses of United States Cabinet members, Category:Spouses of members of the United States Congress, and Category:Spouses of United States senators for the same reasons.--TM 15:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Would someone help me out by tagging the above categories for deletion so that they are grouped together on this nomination?--14:16, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is a simple way to locate spouses of politicians. Dimadick (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While spouses of national leaders or royalty may acquire notability specifically stemming from this status, that would rarely be the case for spouses of legislators or cabinet members. WP:NONDEF. Place Clichy (talk) 11:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. While some spouses of members of the US House of Representatives certainly have their own standalone notability for their own reasons, nobody is notable specifically because they're a spouse of a member of the House of Representatives — so it isn't a defining characteristic for the purposes of categorizing them. It's not a point of commonality between Huma Abedin (notable as a political advisor, not for who she happens to have been married to) and Hazel Scott (whose notability is as a singer, not as a political spouse). Furthermore, there are several instances here where a husband and wife were both members of the House of Representatives (e.g. John W. Langley and Katherine G. Langley), and thus both have to be filed here even though they're actually both notable as Representatives — and several other people in this category were First Ladies whose husband had served in the House of Representatives before ascending to the presidency, so the fact that their husbands had once been representatives earlier in their career is not a significant notability factor for those women either. They're notable because they were First Ladies, not because their husbands once served in the House too. Keeping this category might send the mistaken impression that spouses of US Representatives are accepted as notable precisely for being spouses, which they're not: they might be notable for other reasons, but the fact that they happen to be married to a representative is completely irrelevant to the process of getting them there. Bearcat (talk) 20:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Saint Ann's School (New York City) alumni

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Category:Chancellors by university

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There isn't a consensus what to do with this category at this time. The main question here is whether the category tree should be split into executive and ceremonial roles and I suggest this question is addressed directly in a separate discussion before returning to discussing whether this category is useful. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful subcategory of Category:Heads of universities and colleges. The subcategories aren't all about chancellors. The country subcategories are useful, because generally the same terminology is used within a country. Rathfelder (talk) 08:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I dont think all UK universities have chancellors and vice chancellors. I'm quite happy with the categories you have made, but I dont want to see any where similar positions are included, or excluded, just because of local terminology. I dont like Category:Vice-Chancellors by university in the United Kingdom because it already includes people who arent Vice-Chancellors, but I cant think of a better title for it. I wonder if we actually need it? Rathfelder (talk) 10:05, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • My understanding is that all UK universities have chancellors and vice chancellors (or principals in Scotland), but there may be exceptions that I have not noticed. I agree that structures should avoid excluding positions because of terminology, but that is an argument for having "heads of universities and colleges" categories rather than "heads of universities" categories. In the UK more work is needed as many "Heads of universities and colleges" are not yet categorised and I am sure the same is true for other countries. I am now looking at Ireland. TSventon (talk) 11:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think this category is a useful way to link categories of ceremonial chancellors in the UK, Australia, Canada, Ireland (categorized by User:SeoR) and New Zealand. It would need to be cleaned up and have an introduction to explain its purpose. TSventon (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that a separate space for non-executive chancellors in the UK, Australia, Canada, Ireland, and New Zealand, at least, is needed - it is vital not to confuse them with executive heads (in Ireland Presidents or Provosts, but one also meets Vice-Chancellors, Pro-Vice-Chancellors, and so on). I agree that a short but clear introductory note would be essential. I also agree that any executive chancellors should go in the main "Heads" tree.SeoR (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no problem with categories for chancellors (or rectors, presidents, provosts) in individual countries if the title is used consistently there (and NB usage in Scotland is different from England), but I think the superior category should be Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges. Putting notes on categories doesn't have much effect. Much better to make the name self-explanatory.Rathfelder (talk) 21:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with that last point - due to differences in terminology, the superior category should be the generic "Ceremonial heads of ...."SeoR (talk) 13:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would prefer Category:Chancellors (ceremonial) by university, amending Peterkingiron's suggestion, to cover ceremonial chancellors, mainly in UK, Ireland and commonwealth countries: the article Chancellor (education) has some useful detail. The "Heads of" and "Presidents" and Paris subcategories could then be removed. I don't support extending the category to Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges as it would be less focused. TSventon (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have cleaned up the category by removing "heads of" categories for Africa, Asia, Europe, Iran and India and "Presidents by" category for China, as none of them are chancellor categories. The chancellor categories for individual universities in Iran seem to be executive heads, but it is admittedly hard to tell. TSventon (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Germany files

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The result of the discussion was: WP:soft delete following Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_14#Template:Cc-by-sa-2.0-de. – Fayenatic London 14:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Germany files (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this maintenance category is needed any more. It was populated by Template:Cc-by-sa-2.0-de, which was deleted a few years ago. I'm nominating it for deletion here rather than CSD'ing it as a second set of eyes to make sure it's not just empty right now would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Natural disasters in Sint Maarten

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The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Hurricanes in Sint Maarten and do not merge Category:Natural disasters in Sint Maarten. MER-C 09:25, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need separate categories? The island is only a few miles wide, so I highly doubt that a hurricane or other natural disaster (although the natural disaster categories only list hurricanes) would affect one side of the island but not the other. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 02:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Saint Martin is an island that has two political entities on it: the Netherlands Sint Maarten country and the French Collectivity of Saint Martin. Of course, each of the two political entities have their full set of categories, including natural disasters and hurricanes. This is necessary to match all other such entities. The island Saint Martin then has its own set of categories, which often just consist of the appropriate categories from each of the two political entities. This is how WP is set up for other islands having multiple political entities on them. So a decision should be made regarding all such islands, not just this one. In any case, the categories here are not balanced and not properly constructed and need to be fixed as they confuse the island of Saint Martin with the Collectivity of Saint Martin. Hmains (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - According to the article on the island the two parts are collectively known as "St-Martin / St Maarten". There is certainly no merit in having a tree for each half of the island, since they are likely to suffer the same devastation, but I wonder if we cannot find an appropriate way of having a category covering both. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per RfC FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Gannett (company)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 13#Category:Gannett (company)

Category:Taylor Swift perfumes

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 15:52, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry, not a huge potential for growth. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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