Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 1

February 1

Category:New Democratic Party of Canada

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: rename as option A. Ə XPLICIT 11:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:New Democratic Party of Canada to Category:New Democratic Party (Canada)

Nominator's rationale: rename (as option A): "of Canada" is not part of the name, but we do need a disambiguator. An alternative speedy proposal to Category:New Democratic Party (option B) was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Category:New Democratic Party I don't see why a disambiguator is necessary. Charles Essie (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is necessary due to ambiguity, see New Democratic Party (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then why isn't the article titled New Democratic Party (Canada)? Charles Essie (talk) 06:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category names contain a disambiguator in almost every case of doubt because it is the only 'mandatory' way to understand the scope of a category while categorizing an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Essie, To add to what Marcocapelle said, if any when there's another New Democratic Party that's notable and no clear primary topic, we'd need to disambiguate the article as well. Doug Mehus T·C 18:08, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be okay with that. It just annoys me when article and category titles don't match. Charles Essie (talk) 23:30, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:New Democratic Party of Canada to Category:New Democratic Party (target currently empty, tagged for C1 deletion) – C2D, main article is at New Democratic Party UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply] Oppose at least speedy. New Democratic Party (disambiguation) is ambiguous, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 23:28, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@UnitedStatesian and Armbrust: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support option A. "New Democratic Party" is ambiguous, so it needs to be disambiguated one way or the other. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:08, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per common sense. I don't favour adding a parenthetical qualifier just to be consistent with WP:COMMONNAME when WP:OFFICIALNAME will work just fine. Hoping nom will consider withdrawing good-faith nomination as their real name is New Democratic Party of Canada. Doug Mehus T·C 18:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support option A per nom and above. I stand corrected. The disambiguation is necessary and, unfortunately, deletion and upmerging is a non-starter. Doug Mehus T·C 18:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support option A per nom. The dab is needed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Works about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:40, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Works about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster to Category:Works about the Chernobyl disaster
Propose renaming Category:Books about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster to Category:Books about the Chernobyl disaster

Nominator's rationale: rename in order to align with Chernobyl disaster. This was an opposed speedy nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Works about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster to Category:Works about the Chernobyl disaster – I'm not sure which these fall under but the main article's long-standing title is simply "Chernobyl disaster" so I do not see why "nuclear" is necessary or appropriate. I grieve in stereo (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Books about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster to Category:Books about the Chernobyl disaster
  Oppose - I created both of these subcategories, and I included the word "nuclear" after careful consideration. The main article & its primary category should both be renamed for clarity & consistency, as is the case with Category:Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster and ALL of its articles. Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  So what? That is not "careful consideration". You cannot be creating categories based off what you think the main article should be named. You should move/propose to move the main article first then name/move the category. I don't see your name anywhere on the main article's talk page discussing a possible move. So don't you think you are getting ahead of yourself? I grieve in stereo (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Good grief. Where do you get off telling me "That is not 'careful consideration'"? I said it and I meant it. We've only just met, so you might want to cool your jets a little, kiddo. As for the categories: they're both SUBcategories, not the PRIMARY category - which isn't even up for discussion here. (Obviously, the main article will have to be renamed first before that category can be renamed.) Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Because I am responding to what you wrote here in opposition to my speedy renaming proposal. I wasn't trying to sound angry, and I'm sorry that it sounded that way. You said you created the categories after careful consideration and then I read your reasoning here and what I am hearing is that you named the categories "Chernobyl nuclear disaster" because you concluded that the main article should be renamed to that. So because it is a subcategory you can include a variation of the main's title based on what you believe the main should be renamed to? You created these categories over 8 months ago, why hasn't the main page been renamed yet? This is the first time I have seen subcategories that include a rephrasing of the title of its main category. Again, I am not trying to come off angry I am genuinely interested in learning if what you are saying follows Wikipedia guidelines so I can edit accordingly in the future. I grieve in stereo (talk) 11:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  @Anomalous+0: so what is the next step, will you start an RM for the article? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anomalous+0 and I grieve in stereo: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:32, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Chernobyl disaster, Category:Chernobyl disaster and most of the subcats (after careful consideration). Oculi (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per parent cat and key article unless or until there is another Chernobyl disaster to disambiguate with (hopefully never). Grutness...wha? 03:53, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support to follow the main article of the category. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:10, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Falcon rocket launches

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Falcon rocket launches to Category:SpaceX rocket launches

Nominator's rationale: Proposing a scope change to focus on all of SpaceX rocket launches, rather than just the Falcon rocket launches. Pinging @PhilipTerryGraham, Fcrary, Insertcleverphrasehere, Mfb, N2e, OkayKenji, and Rowan Forest:. Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 11:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose but we can create Category:SpaceX rocket launches and make the Falcon launches a subcategory. --mfb (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Mfb. Create a new category instead. feminist (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sexual Minorities in Mahabharata

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:Sexual Minorities in Mahabharata

Category:The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration

Category:NEON films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:49, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:NEON films to Category:Neon (distributor) films

Nominator's rationale: rename (as option A) to align with Neon (distributor). A speedy rename request to Category:Neon films (option B) was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:NEON films to Category:Neon films – C2D: Consistency with main article's name – Neon (distributor) does not use the official all-caps stylization; the category should not, either. Tempjrds (talk) 23:35, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed The main article of the category is Neon (distributor), so this should be renamed to Category:Neon (distributor) films. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:37, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tempjrds and Armbrust: pinging participants of CFDS discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. No reason for all-caps. Dimadick (talk) 11:04, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename (as option A) The main article is Neon (distributor). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 1

February 1

Category:G4 (television)

Category:LaserDiscs

Category:Transgender in South Africa

Category:New Democratic Party of Canada

Category:Works about the Chernobyl nuclear disaster

Category:Falcon rocket launches

Category:Sexual Minorities in Mahabharata

Category:The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration

Category:NEON films