Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 18

February 18

IRA Directorate of Intelligence related categories

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:IRA Directorate of Intelligence (1917–22) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:IRA Directorate of Intelligence (1917–22) informants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:IRA Directorate of Intelligence (1917–22) members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: While it's certainly true that the IRA had people within the organisation that dealt with intelligence, I can find very little evidence such a body ever existed with that name. This shouldn't be confused with Category:Irish Directorate of Intelligence personnel which contains some overlap with one of the categories, that organisation did actually exist and was responsible for, amongst other things, collecting intelligence on the IRA. FDW777 (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, if only as a non-defining characteristic of the articles in these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - these are in any case out of line with Irish Republican Army (1919–1922), Category:Irish Republican Army (1919–1922), and there is no article IRA Directorate of Intelligence (1917–22) or Irish Republican Army Directorate of Intelligence (1917–22) to inform us about these people. Oculi (talk) 19:19, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I figured out why these might have been created. Michael Collins was the IRA's Director of Intelligence, and presumably the editor who created them assumed there was a Directorate of Intelligence within the IRA. There's no evidence such a department existed with that name, and the relevant articles are much better categorised in Category:Spies during the Irish War of Independence and Category:Irish Republican Army (1919–1922) members even if it did. FDW777 (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th Century Fox

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:20th Century Fox to Category:20th Century Studios

Nominator's rationale: That's what it's called now. Georgia guy (talk) 17:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the main article was renamed on February 11 after an RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — I think it's wise to maintain a separate category named "20th Century Fox films" (now moved without discussion) for films produced 1935–2020, rather than recategorize those titles as Category:20th Century Studios films. This would maintain their distinct historical identity, and be comparable to categories for films produced by earlier iterations of the studio: Category:Twentieth Century Pictures films and Category:Fox Film films. These can be subcategorized under "20th Century Studios films"; please see Commons category:20th Century Studios films. — WFinch (talk)

It was discussed, at speedy. The rename followed the article rename. This said, I rather agree that it is better to have subcats (for the films) which agree with historical names. Oculi (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I hadn't seen that initial move discussion. The topic is now being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#20th Century Fox films. — WFinch (talk) 18:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The films category has now been split, see Category:20th Century Studios films and Category:20th Century Fox films. – Fayenatic London 22:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and 20th Century Studios. Oculi (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support (with split). I think it is wise to record films as being produced by the company that produced them, rather than a successor that happens to own the brand today (often not using it). Peterkingiron (talk) 15:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Peterkingiron, you're implying that 20CF and 20CS are different companies, not the same company at different times in history. Georgia guy (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Shire of Waroona, Western Australia

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Shire of Waroona, Western Australia to Category:Shire of Waroona

Nominator's rationale: Remove the unnecessary disambiguation Western Australia from name and bring in line with parent article Shire of Waroona as well as all other Western Australian Shire articles, which also don't have Western Australia in their name. Calistemon (talk) 14:06, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this does not require a disambiguator. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support but the headnote should be amended to refer to Western Australia. I commonly have to dig several layers down to find out what a category is about when participating in CFD discussions. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:17, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dragonriders of Pern locations

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 27#Category:Dragonriders of Pern locations

Category:Survival skills media

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Survival skills media to Category:Works about survival skills

Nominator's rationale: Works are not generally categorized under Category:Mass media. Daask (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the proposed name better describes the content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Books about survival

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 18:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Books about survival to Category:Books about survival skills

Nominator's rationale: The associated main article on Wikipedia is Survival skills, not Survival. Books focused on avoiding execution by an authoritarian state are not well grouped together in this category. Such a book is about survival, but not survival skills. Daask (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, also because Survival is a dab page. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Novels about survival

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Novels about survival to Category:Novels about survival skills

Nominator's rationale: See above. Daask (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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