Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 19

January 19

Category:Crocodile Dundee films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 28#Category:Crocodile Dundee films

Category:Films featuring Broly

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Category:Black Panther films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 28#Category:Black Panther films

Category:Animated Green Lantern films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 2#Category:Animated Green Lantern films

Category:Animated Wonder Woman films

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Category:Animated Aquaman films

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Category:Ant-Man films

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Category:Ghost Rider films

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Category:Riddler films

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Category:Hellboy (film series)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 8#Category:Hellboy (film series)

Category:Joker films

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Category:Animated Joker films

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Category:Animated Catwoman films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 10#Category:Animated Catwoman films

Category:Catwoman films

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Category:Animated Harley Quinn films

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Category:Harley Quinn films

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Category:Venom films

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Ridesharing companies

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 or 2 articles and the total number of articles across the globe is not such that we need to subdivide this by country to begin with. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is correct and one of the opposing comments in those discussions was that the subcats were way too small. While that was not a good argument against renaming, it was a good observation anyway. We should not fully diffuse a tree if it only leads to micro-categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- While these may be small at present, what prospect is there of them becoming better populated? If this is a niche franchise, where there is unlikely ever to be more than a very few per country, we should look to merge. If rivals are likely to appear, we should keep them. I take it that this is mainly about the better use of cars. If so, I wonder whether we can devise a category that also covers taxi companies and UBER, which in my country is classified as private hire. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • These articles are about Uberisation and I tend to agree with Peterkingiron that these categories may grow. But there are only 21 articles about taxi companies across the world, and I suspect most of them are US or UK based. Rathfelder (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to tell until you've done it how many articles there will be. Rathfelder (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Russian Orthodox churches in Jerusalem

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 19:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale Per WP:Smallcat. Few articles with little potential for growth. Already parented to Category:Eastern Orthodox church buildings in Jerusalem,Category:Russian Orthodox church buildings in Israel and Category:Russian Orthodox church buildings in the State of Palestine. See below also. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep according to the article on Russian Orthodox properties in Israel, there are seven Russian Orthodox Churches in Jerusalem presently, so the category can expand that much. Furthermore, due to the current conflict between the Russian and Constantinopolitan Orthodox Churches over Ukraine, it is expected that additional Russian Orthodox Churches may come into existence in the Middle East in Turkey and possibly also in Israel if the Jerusalem Patriarchate sides with Constantinople. However, I'm in favor of deleting Russian Orthodox Cathedrals in Jerusalem below.--Jahaza (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Jerusalem is one of few places where several national traditions of Orthodoxy coexist, and also a defining location for Orthodoxy (or for that matter, a large part of Christianity). There are very defining reasons why Russians in Jerusalem have kept a religious activity independent of the Greeks, which otherwise dominate Orthodoxy there, and there is ample literature about that. Also, Jerusalem may be one of the places in the world with the highest density of notable churches. Place Clichy (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per user:Jahaza's arguments.GreyShark (dibra) 13:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Jahaza: Those arguments involve WP:Crystalball gazing. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:16, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No more so than assuming the category is unlikely to expand does.Jahaza (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:WikiProject Akwa Ibom

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This and all sub-categories are (a) sockpuppet creations (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shingling334) and (b) documentation of a Wikiproject that no longer exists, as a result of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Akwa Ibom. Bringing here in case there's anything I'm missing. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Number-one films in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose splitting Category:Number-one films in the United States to Category:2020 box office number-one films in the United States and Category:2019 box office number-one films in the United States, etc.
Nominator's rationale: I worry if this category should even exist, but if it should, this should be renamed to Category:Box office number-one films in the United States as a holder shell, and then split out to create multiple subcategories by year, similar to what Category:Lists of box office number-one films in the United States does. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Catholic missionaries in the Balkans

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Catholic missionaries in the Balkans to Category:Roman Catholic missionaries in the Balkans
Nominator's rationale: consistency with the rest of the category tree Elizium23 (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Television stations in the Bluefield–Beckley–Oak Hill market

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The result of the discussion was: merge (option B). MER-C 19:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose splitting Category:Television stations in the Bluefield–Beckley–Oak Hill market to Category:Television stations in Bluefield, Category:Television stations in Beckley and Category:Television stations in Oak Hill
Nominator's rationale: option A: split in order to align with format of siblings in Category:Television stations in the United States by city; option B: merge to Category:Television stations in West Virginia and disperse the articles to the city categories, because in option A the split categories become too small. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose options A and B; maintain consistency with other categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Television stations in the Hampton Roads market

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The result of the discussion was: split. MER-C 19:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose splitting Category:Television stations in the Hampton Roads market to Category:Television stations in Hampton, Virginia and other city categories in this area
Nominator's rationale: option A: split in order to align with format of siblings in Category:Television stations in the United States by city; option B: merge to Category:Television stations in Virginia and disperse the articles to the city categories, because in option A the split categories become too small. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:54, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose options A and B; rename to Category:Television stations in the Norfolk–Portsmouth–Newport News market (official Nielsen market name); maintain consistency with other categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Modern Thessalonica

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The result of the discussion was: merge manually. MER-C 19:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The two categories are essentially about the same thing; "Thessalonica" is a form used more for the city's ancient and medieval history, and the "Modern history of x" follows the naming scheme of the parent "Modern history of Greece/Greek Macedonia" categories Constantine 09:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: procedural close (see BrownHairedGirl). MER-C 19:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also Propose renaming the categories below for consistency, although they have not been formally marked as CfD:
  • Category:Chinese sports-related lists
  • Category:Colombia sports-related lists
  • Category:Cuba sports-related lists
  • Category:Czech Republic sports-related lists
  • Category:Dominican Republic sports-related lists
  • Category:East Germany sports-related lists
  • Category:English sports-related lists
  • Category:Estonian sports-related lists
  • Category:French sports-related lists
  • Category:German sports-related lists
  • Category:Greece sports-related lists
  • Category:Guyana sports-related lists
  • Category:Haiti sports-related lists
  • Category:Hong Kong sports-related lists
  • Category:Hungarian sports-related lists
  • Category:Indian sports-related lists
  • Category:Ireland sports-related lists
  • Category:Israeli sports-related lists
  • Category:Italy sports-related lists
  • Category:Jamaica sports-related lists
  • Category:Japanese sports-related lists
  • Category:Kazakhstani sports-related lists
  • Category:South Korea sports-related lists
  • Category:Kosovo sports-related lists
  • Category:Latvian sports-related lists
  • Category:Lebanese sports-related lists
  • Category:Lebanon sports-related lists
  • Category:Liberia sports-related lists
  • Category:Liechtenstein sports-related lists
  • Category:Lithuanian sports-related lists
  • Category:Mauritius sports-related lists
  • Category:Mexican sports-related lists
  • Category:Morocco sports-related lists
  • Category:Myanmar sports-related lists
  • Category:Nepal sports-related lists
  • Category:Netherlands sports-related lists
  • Category:New Zealand sports-related lists
  • Category:Nicaragua sports-related lists
  • Category:Northern Ireland sports-related lists
  • Category:Pakistani sports-related lists
  • Category:Panama sports-related lists
  • Category:Papua New Guinean sports-related lists
  • Category:Peru sports-related lists
  • Category:Philippines sports-related lists
  • Category:Poland sports-related lists
  • Category:Portugal sports-related lists
  • Category:Puerto Rico sports-related lists
  • Category:Romanian sports-related lists
  • Category:Russian sports-related lists
  • Category:Scottish sports-related lists
  • Category:Slovakia sports-related lists
  • Category:South African sports-related lists
  • Category:Spain sports-related lists
  • Category:Sri Lankan sports-related lists
  • Category:Sudan sports-related lists
  • Category:Suriname sports-related lists
  • Category:Swedish sports-related lists
  • Category:Swiss sports-related lists
  • Category:Switzerland sports-related lists
  • Category:Taiwan sports-related lists
  • Category:Thailand sports-related lists
  • Category:Trinidad and Tobago sports-related lists
  • Category:Tunisia sports-related lists
  • Category:Turkey sports-related lists
  • Category:United Arab Emirates sports-related lists
  • Category:Welsh sports-related lists
Nominator's rationale: Naming of subcategories under Category:Sports-related lists by country needs to be homogenized. Three different forms are used inconsistently:
  • ZZ sport-related lists
  • ZZian sport-related lists
  • ZZian sports-related lists

I am suggesting we adopt the first form, as it is simpler and more familiar to keep country names in their uninflected form (United States vs American), and it is currently the more common of all three. Iketsi (talk) 05:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Iketsi: You'll need to tag all of them, or ask a friendly bot operator to do so (JJMC89 or DannyS712 be your best bets). MER-C 11:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I support standardising on the noun version of the country (i.e. use Category:United States sports-related lists, not Category:American sports-related lists) ... but I am not sure about the "sport" vs "sports". That's a WP:ENGVAR issue, and while I personally think that category title works better when standardised, my proposal to standardise the "organization"/"organisation" variation created a huge shitstorm. I prefer the "sport" format as proposed, but since nearly all the current titles use "sports", I suggest sticking with "sports" to avoid drama.
Procedurally, please note that no categories can be renamed by a CFD discussion unless they have been tagged. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS Note that the parent category use the nouns: e.g. Category:American sports-related lists is a child of Category:Sports in the United States and Category:United States-related lists, so the noun form is more consistent. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am fine with either "ZZ sport-related lists" or "ZZ sports-related", as long as all categories are standardized. As I mentioned in my original batch of CfD requests, the singular form for "sport(s)" is slightly more common within it's mother category, but the plural form is used by the mother category itself and it does seem to be more prevalent on Wikipedia overall. Once we come to an agreement, I will ask a friendly bot operator to rename whichever set of categories we have deemed inconsistent. Iketsi (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Iketsi, you don't rename categories byask[ing] a friendly bot operator to rename whichever set of categories. You do it by making a proposal here, and if the closer finds a consensus for a change, the closer instructs a bot to do the work (at WP:CFDW). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You do however have to ask a friendly bot to tag everything that might be renamed. Eg Category:Chinese sports-related lists is not as yet tagged. Oculi (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That is not the issue and nobody said other folks were wrong. The unjustifiable lack of consistency is the problem, as it makes it difficult for editors who create sport(s)-related lists to categorize them properly without guessing. One country's list could be categorized under "ZZ sport-related lists", another one could be "ZZian sport-related lists", and yet a third one could be "ZZian sports-related lists". Iketsi (talk) 05:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As stated previously, I also do not have a strong preference for either form, but here are some usage statistics that could help us come to a concensus:
I suggest that the best way forward is to close this nomination, and then create a new nomination which:
  1. tags all the categories
  2. List two options:
    • "Option A" = use country noun, standardise on "sports" (plural)
    • "Option B" = use country noun, don't change the "sport"/"sports" variation
That way we can have a much clearer discussion.
If the nominator agrees to withdraw this nomination, I will volunteer to construct the new nomination. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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