Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 13

March 13

Category:Film Festivals cancelled due to the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Film Festivals cancelled due to the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Category of uncertain value. Literally none of the film festivals being categorized here are in the narrow tier of top-level film festivals (Cannes, Berlin, Toronto, etc.) for which we actually maintain a separate article about each year's individual event — for all of them, we simply have one broad concept article about the overall festival, so it's far less clear that this would actually be a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the festivals. If we had an article that was specifically about the 2020 San Diego Asian Film Festival, for example, then it would clearly be a defining characteristic of that — but if we have just one article about the festival in general rather than separate articles about each year's running, then it's far less clear that having been cancelled one year out of 20 would be defining of the overall organization. And furthermore, the one festival here that I can speak about with some authority (y'all who know me can reasonably guess) has not been cancelled, but merely postponed, and is currently planned to be held later in the year once everything gets back to normal (though of course that may change if normal takes longer to return, but as of today the word is still merely "postponed" rather than "cancelled"). So these events could certainly be listed in List of major events affected by the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, but it's far less clear that having a category for them would be warranted. Bearcat (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)\[reply]
  • Keep: They are film festivals. They were cancelled due to the 2019-2020 coronavirus pandemic. Proposer may be unclear about whether the category is valuable enough to be created. Proposer seems equally unclear about whether and why it should be deleted. Kire1975 (talk) 01:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not "unclear" about anything; I have a completely correct and accurate understanding of how our category system works. We categorize topics on their WP:DEFINING characteristics, not on every characteristic they happen to have — so if we had an article that was specifically about the 2020 iteration of any of these festivals in particular, then it would certainly be defined by having been cancelled, but if all we have is one article that encompasses the festival's entire history in 2000 and 2001 and 2002 and 2003 and 2004 and on and on and on through 2020 into 2021 and 2022 and 2023 and 2059, then the festival's entire history is not "defined" by the fact that it was cancelled once. Bearcat (talk) 02:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Non-defining", the very first one on the page, just like I've already said twice now. And the "why" is because the definition of a defining characteristic is one that is central to the topic's notability, such that it will virtually always be mentioned in virtually all coverage that the topic gets. As I said, if the articles were about the 2020 iterations of these festivals specifically — like 2020 Berlin International Film Festival or 2019 Toronto International Film Festival, then having been cancelled in 2020 would be a defining characteristic of those articles because the articles were specifically about the 2020 festivals. But if the articles are just general overviews of the festival as an overall concept, not a 2020-specific splitout, then having been cancelled in 2020 is not a defining characteristic. It's a trait that's specific to one year, not a central feature of the festival's entire history. Bearcat (talk) 03:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't criticize people for simply speaking and writing a different dialect of English than you do. Both canceled and cancelled are valid and correct spellings; it's just that one is more common in the United States while the other is more common in the United Kingdom and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Everton L.F.C. players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: They announced in September 2019 that they have dropped the "Ladies" from the club's name. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 23:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category was not tagged until today
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 22:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Otherkin

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. There is no need to merge, the article is already in Category:Spirituality and Category:Collective identity and it is questionable whether the article belongs in Category:New Age. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Editor2020 (talk) 23:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who are fans of The Hunger Games movie

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:UCAT, for collaboration it does not matter whether one likes or dislikes a topic, it is sufficient to be interested in the topic. (Possibly alt rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in The Hunger Games (film series) although that does not seem very necessary per this related discussion). This was an opposed speedy with yet another target, namely Category:Wikipedians who are fans of The Hunger Games (film series). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
copy of CFDS discussion
  • @Gonnym, Armbrust, and BrownHairedGirl: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on two fronts. I proposed with disambiguation so oppose any title that does not have it (as a side note, I fail see how a minimally participated discussion from 2012 is somehow a precedent to not follow C2D, while we have dozens of other categories that follow it. A minority of categories do not follow it, they aren't a precedent, but a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS anomaly). Also oppose nom's WP:UCAT argument. I see nowhere where it says to use "interest" if a user "likes" something. If you are referring toThis includes any grouping of users by interest in a subject – that is, interest in editing articles related to a certain topic – so long as the topic is not overly narrow or vague (see below: Categories that are overly narrow in scope, Categories that are vaguely defined). Note that merely liking/disliking or supporting/opposing something does not necessarily imply an interest in editing articles related to it. Any interest that is not relevant to encyclopedia-building, such as an interest in eating éclairs, cannot form the basis of an appropriate user category. then "liking" or being a "fan" of something, does not in any way mean you are "interested in editing the article". --Gonnym (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • How exactly do you read from User:UBX/The Hunger Games that the user is willing to collaborate on editing articles of that nature? Don't assume your intentions are what people using the actual template is. Regarding deletion, I've tried following that guideline with a different category and nominated it. The consensus was that editor's just don't care what that guideline says. This (and the other categories in the tree) are just fandom categories of the "I like this" nature. Nothing else. --Gonnym (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like The Godfather

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:UCAT, for collaboration it does not matter whether one likes or dislikes a topic, it is sufficient to be interested in the topic. (Possibly alt rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in The Godfather (film series) although that does not seem very necessary per this related discussion). This was an opposed speedy with yet another target, namely Category:Wikipedians who like The Godfather (film series). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
copy of CFDS discussion
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Category:Dewey Groom

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Minimal content here to require an eponymous category. Fails WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:Churches in Hilo, Hawaii

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Hawaii County, Hawaii. Small category that is unlikely to grow. TM 14:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Churches in Makawao, Hawaii

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Hawaii County, Hawaii. Small category (2 articles) that is unlikely to grow. TM 14:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Traditions by university or college in the Philippines

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category, only one page. There was some support for merging it in the recent group nomination at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_17#Category:Traditions_by_university_or_college, but user:Johnpacklambert supported renaming them all as originally nominated, so the closer found no consensus. – Fayenatic London 08:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Health in Bangkok

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There used to be a single article (Street dogs in Bangkok) under this category, but it has been re-scoped and no longer fits. This category is left with a single daughter, Category:Hospitals in Bangkok, which is already present via Category:Buildings and structures in Bangkok. This one can be deleted or upmerged to Category:Bangkok. Paul_012 (talk) 03:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Smithtown, New York, by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category with only 1 sub-category. TM 02:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from East Chicago, Indiana, by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category with only 1 sub-category. TM 02:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from North Little Rock, Arkansas, by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:People from North Little Rock, Arkansas, by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Small category with only one sub-category. TM 02:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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