Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 21

November 21

Category:PDC women's world darts champions

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:PDC women's world darts champions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. The event was only held one time, so there is just one champion and there is no realistic potential for growth. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marcocapelle Well the only article is already in two of the parent categories, except Category:PDC world darts champions (which is a different tournament, so it shouldn't be merged there). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 04:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States topic navigational boxes

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:United States topic navigational boxes

Category:Ghost video games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Ghost video games to Category:Video games about ghosts

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. Games that just feature ghosts as a non-primary aspect should be removed. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:28, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and purge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The current name suggests that the video games are ghosts. Dimadick (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dream Chronicles games

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The result of the discussion was: do not merge. The target category was not nominated. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Dream Chronicles games to Category:Dream Chronicles

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary subcategory made by banned disruptive user. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, it is the parent category that should be nominated, in the spirit of WP:OCEPON. The nominated category is a valid subcategory of Category:Adventure games by series.Marcocapelle (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle: First of all that doesn't really make sense, the base category was made years earlier and the games were split away at a later date. Secondly, Dream Chronicles (series) is already garnering consensus to move to Dream Chronicles. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Category:Dream Chronicles games is a newer category is not relevant for this discussion. The point is that these games should not be removed from the tree of Category:Adventure games. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle: I agree, and support the admin adding the base category to Category:Adventure games by series and Category:Video games featuring female protagonists once they are merged. However, the proper name for it would be Category:Dream Chronicles, not Category:Dream Chronicles games, since the category name must match the main article. Therefore the newer category must be merged into the old._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 22:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"since the category name must match the main article", that is an incorrect premise. We have hundreds of singers who have an article and a songs category, but not an eponymous category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Marcocapelle. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 05:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kepp and reverse merge per MArcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:British politicians of Hong Kong descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:British politicians of Hong Kong descent to Category:British people of Hong Kong descent and Category:British politicians of Chinese descent
Propose merging Category:British politicians of Japanese descent to Category:British politicians and Category:British people of Japanese descent

Nominator's rationale: Not defining. Not sure if "of Hong Kong descent" is meaningful.Rathfelder (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as a trivial intersection. Descent and occupation are entirely unrelated. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Both were born in Hong Kong when it was a British colony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkingiron (talk • contribs) 16:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But that is not relevant to their careers as politicians. And I dont think anyone is really "of Hong Kong descent". Rathfelder (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete another meaningless "descent" category divorced from real-world meaning nor objective inclusion criteria. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete per WP:OCEGRS. Hong Kong or Japanese have not created a different subculture or practice of British politics. Note that the 2 characters in the HK category are actually from Hong Kong, they would therefore not even qualify as being "of Hong Kong descent", except if we consider that everybody from Foo is of Foo descent, which would kill the purpose of descent categories. Place Clichy (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sri Lankan Tamil archaeologists

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sri Lankan archaeologists alone. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Sri Lankan Tamil archaeologists to Category:Sri Lankan archaeologists and Category:Tamil archaeologists

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 Rathfelder (talk) 10:04, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS, non-notable intersection with ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:OCEGRS; also the Category:Tamil archaeologists runs afoul of the WP:OCEGRS policy but isn't flagged for discussion but ought to be deleted as well. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Carlossuarez46: mere deletion would remove the article from Category:Sri Lankan archaeologists, and I see no reason to do that. Place Clichy (talk) 11:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Sri Lankan archaeologists only per WP:OCEGRS. The only article, K. Indrapala, is nowhere defined by reliable sources as being of Tamil ethnicity (as required by WP:EGRS). Are we supposed to guess it from his last name, or the fact that he studies Tamil inscriptions? Place Clichy (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as suggested by Place Clichy. Until there are a lot more members, I see no need to split by ethnicity. Ethnicity might be relevant if it affected the POV with which he approaches his subject; and clearly Tamil are his special topic. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've also nominated Category:Tamil archaeologists for deletion. There are some others in Category:Archaeologists by ethnicity which are at least better populated, but I find it hard to see ethnicity impacts on archaeology. Rathfelder (talk) 19:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Recipients of the Order of Solomon

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of Solomon

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT, WP:OCAWARD and WP:OVERLAPCAT)

When foreign leaders visited imperial Ethiopia, or vice versa, the Order of Solomon was given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Emperor Hirohito and George V are not remotely defined by this award. (The only Ethiopians in this category are members of the royal family who are already well categorized under Category:Ethiopian Royal Family.) The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background In the past, we've deleted similar categories for high ranking visitors here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom & numerous precendents. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Recipients of the Silver World Award

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Silver World Award

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING) and WP:SMALLCAT

The Silver World Award is an international award from the Boy Scouts of America for non-U.S. Scouting leaders. The articles in this category fall into three non-defining groups: global Scouting leaders with a passing reference to the award (e.g. Göran Hägerdal, Charles Green, John Phillpot), global Scouting leaders with no mention of the award (e.g. Salvador Beltrán, Bruce Garnsey, László Nagy) and global leaders with no obvious connection to Scouting (e.g. Pope Paul VI, Golda Meir, Emperor Hirohito). The winners are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background We recently deleted 3 other BSA awards right here; tagging all earlier participants: @Jkudlick, Philly jawn, North8000, Marcocapelle, Bduke, Carlossuarez46, and DexDor: RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom & numerous precedents. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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